The Sports Illustrated Article

[Siriuscat]

Dude, go BUY the magazine.
C'mon, the journalists do not work for free

I've yet to see SI on my local newsagents shelves....in north east Scotland

 

[MacRoadie]

Here is the article:

The article in question:

The Case Against Lance Armstrong

 

[Siriuscat]

Thanks....I'll need to wait till tomorrow though, my filters on the work pc prevent Scribd from downloading properly!!

 

[theswordsman]

The people still defending Armstrong tonight reminded me of a classic movie scene - compare Lance, hero of the TDU, to the bishop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A3M-d_eIqo

"I don't think the heavy stuff is gonna come down for quite a while"

 

[MacRoadie]

I think the Velonews site is imploding. Can't add comments to their blog piece on the SI article, and their forums appear to be overwhelmed...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I agree with the bolded bit. I think the point is obvious. Obvious to all, that is, whose agenda isn't hatred of Armstrong. (Which of course excludes most of the active participants in this forum.)

You may not like Armstrong. You may have good reason for not liking him. But he played the same game his competitors played, and raced the same races, and if they could have beaten him they would have. Did he pay off the UCI? Most likely. But if they were taking bribes from Armstrong, they wouldn't stop with him. If they were in the bribe taking business, you can bet they had more than one customer.

He may have played the same game - but with a loaded deck.

Which other GT rider had Dr. Ferrari working with them from 1999?
Which other rider has given 'donations' to the UCI?
Which other rider had his team owner (Wiesel) also running their Federation?Also we know from Manzano that Kelme & USPS were being tipped off by the UCI for OOC testing.

 

[oldschoolnik]

Catlin is my new beotch.

This is good.

 

[Anonymous]

I've yet to see SI on my local newsagents shelves....in north east Scotland

same here, its impossible to get over here, and SI dont have an option to buy a single issue to view online.

Thanks....I'll need to wait till tomorrow though, my filters on the work pc prevent Scribd from downloading properly!!

its on scribd? cant find it there.

some interesting things on their though.

This guy has uploaded some interesting things
http://www.scribd.com/Fight4Truth

including the full 2005 testimony by lance, and loads of other interesting bits and bobs

 

[MacRoadie]

The SI Article

Here you go:

The Case Against Lance Armstrong

 

[Ferminal]

Ok... so no action has been taken against Popovych, any chance he's sold out?

 

[Ferminal]

[Lance] knows Catlin well.”Andreas Breidbach, who was head of thelab’s EPO testing group from 2003 to ’06,had a similar reaction. “Oh, great, Lanceis being tested by his greatest admirer,”Breidbach recalls thinking, “and to theoutside world it looks convincing.”

Wow, Stapleton calling Catlin for testing information.

 

[luckyboy]

Here you go:

Thanks

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Only the flat earth society can continue to claim a level playing field now.

 

[theswordsman]

"I don't have anything to say ... I've perused it," Armstrong said of the report.

Armstrong is racing at the Tour Down Under and says the spectre of the government investigation does not bother him.

"I'm fine - I don't have anything to worry about on any level, it has nothing to do with what's going on overseas," he said when asked about his mood.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/armstrong-wont-comment-on-new-claims-20110119-19vz9.html

 

[Kennf1]

Send another copy to USPS.



Since the 50% HT rule was put into play, the purpose of blood doping has not been to raise HT levels, but to keep them from falling during the latter stages of a GT.

Not to get sidetracked, but, you do use it to keep it from dropping, but you also use it to show up at the start line at 49.9 (over your natural level). Not so much once the biopassport started.

 

[Ferminal]

So, are vitamins from Spain cheaper or just more effective?

 

[Bicicleta]

The people still defending Armstrong tonight reminded me of a classic movie scene - compare Lance, hero of the TDU, to the bishop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A3M-d_eIqo

"I don't think the heavy stuff is gonna come down for quite a while"

Works for deluded Contador fans too

 

[Siriuscat]

So, are vitamins from Spain cheaper or just more effective?

Ask dr fuentes....

Managed to download the article on my phone. That's some good stuff in there, the early stuff especially. I wonder if Floyd knew about the 9.0:1 T/E ratio......no wonder he was p....d off.

 

[luckyboy]

Ask dr fuentes....

Managed to download the article on my phone. That's some good stuff in there, the early stuff especially. I wonder if Floyd knew about the 9.0:1 T/E ratio......no wonder he was p....d off.

Floyd's was 11:1, and that was after the limit went down to 4:1

 

[Ferminal]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1180944/1/index.htm

 

[MacRoadie]

Interview with David Epstein

Word on the street is that SI article co-author, David Epstein, will be on CNN tomorrow morning at 7:40 am Eastern.

 

[theswordsman]

Works for deluded Contador fans too

So so bitter. Have you ever had a positive post towards anything? Posted a link to something new? Started an interesting conversation? Or just insult people?

 

[MacRoadie]

A couple of samples of the hystrionics going on over on Velonews.com:

please give me something other than "he said she said from convicted liars, frauds and purgeors"....until then, enough already...I mean c'mon, again another whole expose and story but note one fact, one shread of proof beyond more Floydlies.......

The funny thing about this whole exercise.... it is just like statistics..... you can data mine until you find the data set that will give you the desired result. Then, present it as a new finding in the hope some sucker sinks his teeth into it and like Pavlov's Dog sits there and nods his head in agreement because some poor schlep snookered him on a skewed data set.....It is sad that we let "sources with knowledge of the government’s investigation" speak freely but yet they don't have the stones to identify themselves... C'mon brother... if you got the goods ... let's see you and your evidence for what they are worth. My guess is they know the data set is skewed and they are looking for the sucker ... enter SI. Anyone notice that Floyd slithered off into sunset today ... ???

None of it matters - doped, not doped, truth or lies. This is all about the bottom line. Selling magazines, coincidently, as LA races in Australia. And why did Landis come out now and retire? I'd love to see the planning that went on for that SI article and for the timing of publication. Think they decided to do it now last month, last summer, a year ago? It is all very sad. It doesn't really matter whether Lance doped on not, because either way the whole thing just shows how greedy and deceitful people can be. Someone is lying (or they all are) and people are profiting from it, or at least attempting to profit.

So, in the grand scheme of things I really don't think it matters in the least whether or not Lance doped.

And my personal favorite:

While I get your larger point ... the PEDs are banned substances within the sport ... I don't believe they are illegal in the broader social sense. I can buy EPO, take it, tell my cycling friend who is also a police officer ... he'll tell me I am stupid, but he won't arrest me.

That Floyd Landis, I'll tell ya...

 

[Ferminal]

Looks like some solid astroturfing going on, the war room must be busy.

 

[PotentialPro]

Apologies BPC you missed the point - just 4 months before he was diagnosed with an advanced cancer LA's HCG should have been through the roof and spotted during testing - it leaves the question why was it not picked up?

With messed up T/E ratios for so long, why wasnt he voted as having the best man boobs in the peloton?