"The stars of the Tour 2008 must tremble"

[Frosty]

What?! Ashenden says when new tests are developed they try them on already tested samples, perfect way to test two testing protocols. jeez elementary science there.

Yes, but that doesnt mean they test them on every sample does it?

 

[Anonymous]

No not all. What's wrong with suspecting Evans? He has been known to work with Ferrari in the past. Maybe you don't like that I suspect your little hero?

I can't stand Evans. My point is that on this thread, you seem to keep throwing barbs at people, and it is a bit annoying.

 

[cromagnon]

Yes, but that doesnt mean they test them on every sample does it?

Won't they have the usual something like the top 3 for the stage and the GC men or something like that? I hope it's not just a PR stunt.

 

[workingclasshero]

sastre: yes (can people please stop thinking the mr. clean tag means he's got a rep among pros as a non-doper?)

menchov: yes (not a shadow of a doubt)

evans:yes (i hope not, my favourite rider he is, he makes me laugh from time to time cadel)

vdv: yes

kirchen: yes

astarloza: yes

schumacher: yes (although it would be funny if he wasn't)

fschleck: yes (fuentes ...)

ashleck: yes (fuentes client's brother)

nibali: yes

well that's what i think is/was the reality of the 2008 tour

don't think any of them will be busted though. well except schumacher

 

[samb01]

Exciting stuff. Been some good busts this year (Di Luca in particular), but I'm more than ready for a few more.

 

[Digger]

Kirchen
Fabian
Jens
Sastre
George
Frank and Andy

 

[issoisso]

Evans and Sastre are 2 riders who most people believe are clean.

"Most people" are very naive.

 

[BroDeal]

Ive heard before that it is due to the labs being busy with various other tests. Not sure how true this is but it sounds plausible

It does not sound that plausible to me unless the amount of testing varies a lot between cycling's season and off season. The volume of work would have to vary enough that it does not make sense to hire more people.

 

[BroDeal]

sastre: yes (can people please stop thinking the mr. clean tag means he's got a rep among pros as a non-doper?)

menchov: yes (not a shadow of a doubt)

evans:yes (i hope not, my favourite rider he is, he makes me laugh from time to time cadel)

vdv: yes

kirchen: yes

astarloza: yes

schumacher: yes (although it would be funny if he wasn't)

fschleck: yes (fuentes ...)

ashleck: yes (fuentes client's brother)

nibali: yes

well that's what i think is/was the reality of the 2008 tour

don't think any of them will be busted though. well except schumacher

+1 to all that except the "only Schumacher" part.

I cannot imagine that large numbers of riders will be busted. I think Valverde goes down because he has become a thorn in the sport's side and this would be a convenient way of getting rid of him.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I can't stand Evans. My point is that on this thread, you seem to keep throwing barbs at people, and it is a bit annoying.

So you can't stand that somebody is going against the stream of what others think.

Good for you. Newsflash, not everybody thinks the same. Neither would that be healthy.

We would not even need a discussion forum when we all agree. So unless you have something on topic to report, please refrain from such useless comments in the future

Kthxbai!

 

[titan_90]

Interesting, but we are still waiting for the results of the 2008 Giro retests.

 

[rolfrae]

Menchov, Ten Dam, Evans had been asked before the 2009 start that their 2008 samples would be retested, correct?

Does this explain the sudden loss of ability suffered by Evans and Menchov at the Tour this year?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

No, because Evans was back at his best in the Vuelta/Worlds and Menchov won the Giro...

 

[Frosty]

It does not sound that plausible to me unless the amount of testing varies a lot between cycling's season and off season. The volume of work would have to vary enough that it does not make sense to hire more people.

Maybe, but then some people have been busted this year for tests that were taken quite a while, in some cases months, beforehand. Then again it is three months since the tests were announced at the start of the tour. Be interesting to see what results come back.

 

[luckyboy]

Is it just CERA that is being tested for or do we not know that yet?

I find it embarrassing that I find this exciting

 

[BroDeal]

Maybe, but then some people have been busted this year for tests that were taken quite a while, in some cases months, beforehand. Then again it is three months since the tests were announced at the start of the tour. Be interesting to see what results come back.

It is interesting that now that there is a large volume of testing, the results are delayed by months. A few years back when there was much less testing, the results were also delayed by months. And a few years before that when there was still less testing the delays were months. There has to be something other than problems with workload at the labs.

 

[python]

It is interesting that now that there is a large volume of testing, the results are delayed by months. A few years back when there was much less testing, the results were also delayed by months. And a few years before that when there was still less testing the delays were months. There has to be something other than problems with workload at the labs.

so what's that something other in your opinion?

 

[Escarabajo]

Kirchen
Fabian
Jens
Sastre
George
Frank and Andy

You read my mind. Add Menchov. Valverde, I am not even sure if he will be catched this time. He was very cautious during the Tour in 97 and 98.

 

[BroDeal]

so what's that something other in your opinion?

No freaking idea, but the testing is just as drawn out as everything else (including CAS). It would not surprise me if the people in the bureaucracy spend 95% of their time at the local strip club and 5% of their time doing real work.

 

[issoisso]

According to austrian newspaper Kurier's interview with Bordry:

- 40 riders in the 2008 Tour have blood values indicative of possible manipulation
- 15 of those were chosen for re-testing with the new EPO test as they are considered likely to be flagged positive
- the results are expected to be available within two weeks maximum

 

[Race Radio]

No not all. What's wrong with suspecting Evans? He has been known to work with Ferrari in the past. Maybe you don't like that I suspect your little hero?

Not exactly. Evans did not work with Ferrari. That was nothing more then a rumor that had no basis in fact.

Dekker on the other had did work with both Ferrari and Checcini.

 

[BroDeal]

According to austrian newspaper Kurier's interview with Bordry:

- 40 riders in the 2008 Tour have blood values indicative of possible manipulation
- 15 of those were chosen for re-testing with the new EPO test as they are considered likely to be flagged positive
- the results are expected to be available within two weeks maximum

40! Uh-oh. There goes the idea that things recently got so much better that a clean rider does not need to dope to get top GC results.

Of course if most of the riders were using transfusions instead of EPO then we won't get many positives.

 

[Anonymous]

So you can't stand that somebody is going against the stream of what others think.

Good for you. Newsflash, not everybody thinks the same. Neither would that be healthy.

We would not even need a discussion forum when we all agree. So unless you have something on topic to report, please refrain from such useless comments in the future

Kthxbai!

I literally have no idea what you are ranting about now. Again, it is your posts where you show your adeptness at being an *** to wit I refer. You just added to the pile. Dang.

And please note that your "Irony" button is on the fritz considering the amount of on topic discussion in that particular post. Dang x 2

 

[Frosty]

Not sure there is that much new here but here is an article from the sud deutsche zeitung translated (badly in parts, or they could do with some new journalists if not!)

edit: ok that isnt working for some reason but here is the original page

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/823/489212/text/

whacking the start into google should bring about a translation option when the results show (for the computer illiterate like me)

 

[Anonymous]

I can't stand Evans. My point is that on this thread, you seem to keep throwing barbs at people, and it is a bit annoying.

to be honest i hope evans is clean...

the thought that somebody could dope and still finish second repeatedly (with obvious exception) just smacks of poor doping practices.. at least if youre gonna dope.. do it properly...