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GJB123

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airstream said:
Clearly I meant top-level GT riders. Don't you find not normal that you admit relatively honest way to success only for Contador? You dislike Armstrong, Sky. I guess you don't respect Schleck too much too. On the side, it really looks like to equate preferences to abilities.
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LA never was a top-level GT-contender until he got on the USPS/Bruyneel/Ferrari-train. That you fail to recognize that, is simply beyond believe.

But a bigger talent doesn't guarantee bigger achievements, no?
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Yes, and your point is?

No doubt, but no one can't judge about that objectively just because talent is quite abstract and polyhedral thing. So my approach is democratic at least due to the fact there are no normal and not normal things by virtue of disputable criteria. Talent and its measuremnt is overly disputable feature.
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Yes and no. It quite clear that for example Gilbert, Boonen and Cancellara, although a very good and talented riders, will never be a GT-contenders. So although the precise talent cannot be measured it is utterly ridiculous to contend that you cannot make reasonable assessment of someone's talent or lack for GT's and have most reasonable people agree with that assessment.

Alright, who of great champions of last 2 decades do you recognize among those who didn't use that combination?
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If it is about cheating I would say that LeMond is most likely to be the last clean GT-winner , slightly more than 2 decades ago.

I don't consider him a bigger liar in terms of doping than other great GT riders if he didn't trample down Euskaltel and Phonak using UCI in which I start doubting in these latter days.
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You don't, I do. Having read Hamilton's book and the Reasoned Decision you would have to be a fool not to note the difference between LA and other dopers.
 
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Chomsky said:
That video seems to be good evidence that Lance did come clean. She is not fat but she definitely is crazy. In fact she appears to be a lunatic. Just because Lance lied about a lot of things does not mean that everything that is said about him is true. That Betsy hospital statement seems quite far fetched as does some of the allegations by Floyd regarding the Team Bus breaking down and some of Hamilton's statements. But then again Floyd and Tyler both do have medical mental health issues. Betsy has always come across as crazy and not believable. Just because Lance is liar does not suddenly make many of these people sane or trustworthy. This video just adds more evidence to the contention that she is nuts.
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I don't come in here often enough to know if you are simply batsh!t crazy, or if this is some bizarre attempt at trolling. In either event, your insane accusations against Betsy are beneath contempt.

thehog said:
I think she realised she got played a second time. He phoned her for 40 minutes just so he could say at the interview he called her. He used the "fat" angle as a backhanded compliment.

It was shameful what he did. Utterly shameful.

The same to Floyd. He knows what he did. But to pretend he was protecting him is just more lies.

The guy is a joke. Not even worth hating. Just pathetic.
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It's like he truly had no idea how this pathetic attempt at humor sounded, and how badly it backfired, especially when you make such a comment to a woman who has struggled with weight issues all her life!:D Utter, slimeball idiot.

Cobblestoned said:
"Professional victims" was an accurate comment on her and the rest of them.

When I got up I thought : First thing that will appear on CN will be moaning Greg and moaning Betsy.
They are really getting on my nerves.
And all those "cheated" moaning journalists, who suddenly jump ship, nearly make me puke. What a pack of hypocrites. bah

They should all join together into some self-help group.

I say, now that even Lance did it: Greg, now it's your turn ! No EPO doesn't make it any better. Your "pure" "freaky natural talent" seems as ridiculous as Lance's transformation miracle.
Nearly each of the champions admitted or got caught. Only Greg was pure and clean. This makes ME sick. Especially when I think about Fignon, who was by far a greater champion - because he admitted and is able to rest in peace now.
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Oh yeah, I remember you....the stupidity of your post merely needs highlighting, no response. Du bist scheinbar wirklich ein Volltrottel wenn du das glaubst.

Benotti69 said:
The way i see it the doping isn't that important. It is the attemped and to a great part the destruction of people's repuations and lives.

He owes lots of people an apology and from what i have read ( i was not gonna watch the idiot on tv) he glossed over it.

The doping is the small part of this whole thing. It is the lies, the lives of people he set out to destroy, it is the charity that he used for personal financial gain and setting himself up as The Cancer jesus.

Doping pfft, that is the least of it.
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The way he ruined and conned people - and wouldn't own up to last night, or even clearly apologize for - really p!sses me off too.
 
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the asian said:
If anything, in 99 and 2000 riders would have toned down their doping due to fear of the gendarmerie.
At least according to the info we have most of the teams avoided EPO during the Tour. Out of the very few samples retrospectively tested positive for EPO a majority was of Armstrongs'. (can't remeber the exact number, but it was mentioned in other threads)
It was from about 2002 that the others also got on the juice to the extent/or very close levels of Armstrong.

99 and 00 were probably the Tours with the most skewed field.
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I think of 14 retrospective positives, 6 were armstrongs. So he was definitely in his own league for that Tour.
 
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WinterRider said:
I think of 14 retrospective positives, 6 were armstrongs. So he was definitely in his own league for that Tour.
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And those were the positives. There were other (~3) samples that indicated EPO.

The timing of the positives, and the amount of EPO, also aligned perfectly with testimony from teammates on when and how the doping occurred.

Dave.
 
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A long time ago, i posted something about waiting for armstrong to either be convicted in court or to admit in public that he doped before i expressed anything. He's admitted it. Now I can say what I have believed all along. He's a sack of crap.
 
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airstream said:
Bruyneel wasn't the best manager in terms of doping back then, I'm sure. I agree to admit, yes, extreme luck on the passage du gois helped Lance and very likely he was not clearly the strongest cyclist in the 1999 Tour if the rivals hadn't been eliminated because of crash. A natural situation — when the sport simply couldn't afford one more scandal after Festina affair and covered up him partially — helped him too. But as to lack of talent and doping edge, I'm disagree on these matters.
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Oh really? Have you forgotten this little display?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh0vte_lance-armstrong-sestriere-climb_sport#.UPmEZSc82rg
 
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WinterRider said:
My favourite line, which was apparently tweeted by someone:

"Armstrong should look up sociopath in the dictionary."
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Nah, he already defined it.

Dave.
 
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the asian

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Amsterhammer said:
Interview with David Walsh coming up on CNN World Sport "shortly".
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It seems I've just missed it, World Sport has just finished here.
Or is it in the next one?
 
thehog

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Moose McKnuckles said:
What sort of absolute idiot goes on Oprah, admits to calling Betsy a "crazy b!tch", but proudly says, "but I never called her fat."

I mean here's Oprah looking at him like WTF? So, crazy b!tch is ok, but "fat", whoa!, that's just going overboard.

Of all people, he says that to Oprah. It's like the guy is deaf to his own funeral dirge. That's something you might joke about with the guys, but not in a worldwide telecast where you admit to being a fraud that has cheated and tried to destroy countless people.

What a piece of filth this guy is.
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This. My jaw dropped as well.
 
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Carols said:
vid of JV on CBS This Morning

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505266_...e-lance-armstrong-confession-good-first-step/
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A little weak of Vaughters. Clearly didn't want to say anything bad about Lance. I'm surprised he let Lance's comments on CVV's testimony stand. I wonder how Christian feels about that?

I did appreciate his point that it will take a number of interviews for Lance to get more comfortable admitting his wrong doings, watching interviews with Tyler you can see this process in action, and I'm sure JV went through a similar process.
 
Amsterhammer

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thehog said:
This. My jaw dropped as well.
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Didn't everyone's? I think this one liner may well prove to be the single biggest gaffe he made last night, when people remember that he in effect denied being a bully, whereas here he was being one in front of an audience of.....what must it have been globally? Many tens of millions, or even more?
 
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thirteen said:
holler when it's on, please :D ta!
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Dang, it came on right after I posted. Bloody Pedro Pinto didn't say 'now', he said 'later'.

But :cool: I thought to switch the tivo on, will watch now and report back.
 
the asian

the asian

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WinterRider said:
A little weak of Vaughters. Clearly didn't want to say anything bad about Lance. I'm surprised he let Lance's comments on CVV's testimony stand. I wonder how Christian feels about that?

I did appreciate his point that it will take a number of interviews for Lance to get more comfortable admitting his wrong doings, watching interviews with Tyler you can see this process in action, and I'm sure JV went through a similar process.
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Yep. week attempt.It seems not in his nature to be outspoken though. Dude admitted he's not radical enough.
He did post a Link to CVV's affidavit on his twitter page though, and said CVV was misinterpretated on the Interview.
 
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