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Hah, the TV people didn't record it, others earlier on this thread were calling Fuente De a waste.
The challenge of the first two weeks softened up the legs of the defensive rider's domestiques and gave more chance for the most aggresive rider of the whole race to win.
95% of people thought Fuente De would be a nothing stage, props to people on this forum who thought it wouldn't be, but Katusha, spanish TV, barely anyone thought such an epic day would occur on a medium mountain stage especially since we are all ingrained to seeing 'nothing' days on this sort of stage for yonks.
But what would normally have been a fairly easy mountain stage was ripped to shreds by Riis & Contador planning one for the history books.
Moral of the tale: Make the parcours tough and hard all the way through, but do include ALL types of stages as well !
The challenge of the first two weeks softened up the legs of the defensive rider's domestiques and gave more chance for the most aggresive rider of the whole race to win.
95% of people thought Fuente De would be a nothing stage, props to people on this forum who thought it wouldn't be, but Katusha, spanish TV, barely anyone thought such an epic day would occur on a medium mountain stage especially since we are all ingrained to seeing 'nothing' days on this sort of stage for yonks.
But what would normally have been a fairly easy mountain stage was ripped to shreds by Riis & Contador planning one for the history books.
Moral of the tale: Make the parcours tough and hard all the way through, but do include ALL types of stages as well !
- May 20, 2009
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85% think La Vuelta was great, as they rated it from 7-10 out of 10.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18491
The rebels without a cause were proven wrong, yet again. Unipublic people knew what they were doing. Sorry guys go back to the drawing board.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18491
The rebels without a cause were proven wrong, yet again. Unipublic people knew what they were doing. Sorry guys go back to the drawing board.
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This Vuelta was a success in spite of the parcours Unipublic laid out not the other way around.
As long as this Youtube cycling remains only a Vuelta's speciality, then its not all bad. It becomes a serious problem only when other races start widely adopting such a format.
As long as this Youtube cycling remains only a Vuelta's speciality, then its not all bad. It becomes a serious problem only when other races start widely adopting such a format.
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Põhja Konn said:
As far as cineteq's concerned, the parcours is totally irrelevant, and they could have a race with 21 pan flat stages, and it would be really great as long as the riders wanted to race.
To tell the truth, the high rating for this Vuelta might not have been so high had the other two GTs this year been so chronically bad.
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Am I reading right Libertine? You, one of the rebels saying so?Libertine Seguros said:
Well, what a lame argument my friend. That was the TV production schedule for that day. The race itself has nothing to do with the race being broadcast or not. :facepalm:Eshnar said:
Nice attempt to make an analogy, but the joke's on you. The race was a success in spite of.hrotha said:I guess Justin Bieber must be an amazing artist then.
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cineteq said:
I rated it 7, which is not great, but good.
I still believe the parcours was extremely weak. Props to the riders (should I say Berto?) for making the race enjoyable.
I don't think it will go down in history as a memorable GT though. If it wasn't for Contador epic Fuente De win it would probably be forgotten by most fans in a couple of years.
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The TV production is scheduled with the organiserscineteq said:
Depending of what they expect to be happening in the race. They clearly weren't expecting anything to happen before the final 30 minutes. What happened in that stage was totally out of Unipublic control.PS:
You probly missed the irony in Libertine's post.
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cineteq said:Am I reading right Libertine? You, one of the rebels saying so?
Well, what a lame argument my friend. That was the TV production schedule for that day. The race itself has nothing to do with the race being broadcast or not. :facepalm:
Nice attempt to make an analogy, but the joke's on you. The race was a success in spite of.
No, buddy. The joke's on you for setting a new record by completely misunderstanding three posts in one.
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cineteq said:Probably because you guys contradict yourself back and forth? No wonder 80% of the posts are from you, the GT bashers. Who would want to participate in a thread where there is no room to state your opinion without being bullied?
Awww you feel you're being bullied? Poor boy. *hug*
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No offence intended, but even though you live in an Anglo country, you really do seem to misunderstand a lot.cineteq said:Obviously, I have participated, right? I wasn't talking about myself. I can throw few punches and hit you hard on those weak spots.
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cineteq said:
I don't really think the GT-bashers ever contraddicted themselves on this topic.
It's plain simple. The fact the race was good (to most viewers) doesn't mean one should change his mind about how good/poor the parcours was designed.
Nobody has ever stated the quality of the parcours is the sole factor determining how good the race is. In fact, I've seen plenty of posts claiming parcours was one of the many factors determining the entertainmente a race can provide.
I don't get why you're bringing this up again. It's pointless.
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The modifier "as far as cineteq is concerned" precedes the statement "the parcours is irrelevant".cineteq said:Am I reading right Libertine? You, one of the rebels saying so?
Yes, you could quote that I stated "the parcours is irrelevant", but that would be disingenuous and intentionally misleading.
The point is, parcours is part of what makes a race interesting. The riders are another part of it. If the riders don't want to race, it doesn't matter how interesting the parcours is. See: 2012 Giro. But if the parcours doesn't give the riders opportunities, then they won't be incentivised to race. A lot of the time nowadays, the riders simply don't want to race, so we have to try to make them, by designing good courses that reward such racing attitudes. This Vuelta was saved by riders turning up in more aggressive moods than at most races this year, and also by not having any particularly over-strong team whose dominance discourages other riders from competing.
The riders can ruin a good parcours, but a bad parcours can ruin riders' will to make the race interesting.
The Vuelta this year has been pretty good. Not amazing, but it has outdone expectations, which is excellent bearing in mind how disappointing the other two GTs are. But we can't always rely on Contador in full aggression mode in every race we have. Also: the organisers can't control the riders' attitude to racing. They CAN control the route the riders are on. They can attempt to manipulate the riders' attitude to racing, using the parcours. Whether they're successful or not is another matter, but that's what it's there for.
This was still a poor route. It could have been worse, for sure. But just because the race turned out to be better than expected doesn't mean that the route was good.
cineteq said:
Of course Unipublic knew what they were doing. They designed it in a certain way so it should benefit certains riders in the first week and then to another category of riders the last weeks so the battle would live on (with a lot happening in between) with a minimum of time between the overall contenders. For newcomers to the sport a close battle means more then the parcours and in this way i belive they attracted a lot of new fans to the sport. It must have been a dream come true when AC then ripped the field to pieces in an epic stage which got the newspapers on toes. AS dubbed it to "the best Vuelta in History"
I think the doubters has lost this one.
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You have to wonder if they aired every stage from 13-14 pm, like ASO and France Télévisions do in July, the general enthusiasm about this race would be this high. Remembering a stage that starts live on tv with 30 km to go with1-2 mountains as 'amazing' would seem a bit easier than remembering it as 'amazing' when we had to watch the first 170 km of nothing before the fun - like Tour De France.
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No_Balls said:
How was that epic? The Stelvio stage was more interesting and the main contenders didn't even do anything. As soon as I heard the first time split I switched off the TV because I knew what was coming. At least at the Stelvio stage there was still the fight for the rossa, and the ending position for De Gendt to have suspense about. The problem is the normally small time gaps combined with the fact that chance for really dropping someone is small, So whenever it happens, you pretty much know the winner immediately.
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