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Teams & Riders Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

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It's true Pinot's gt statistic looks pretty horrific when it comes to DNF's but claiming the guy just shouldn't ride gt's for gc at all is nonsense.

He still has 5 gt top tens to his name and has even stood on the TdF podium before. It's not like he always suffers from those sort of problems, no exception. He did catch some sickness late in the 2018 giro and he did suffer from some freak injury in last years Tour and sure, there are other riders to whom that sort of stuff doesn't happen to as often. But then he finished the Vuelta 2018 on an absolute high. He won stage 20 of the Giro a year earlier and finished in fourth.

The fact that he didn't have problems for 21 stages in those races and not in this or last years Tour, well that's just bad luck. It doesn't mean he's not a gc contender altogether.
 
Yet a guy who has won a Monument should still be able to look back at his career - when that time comes - with his head held high. Monuments are big, important, races, even if the majority of the general population don't seem to realise that.
The majority of the population, no. But cycling people know. In 20 years time, when Pinot meets someone who knows cycling, he can tell them “I won in the Tour on the Tourmalet. I won the penultimate stage of a Giro. I won Lombardia,” and they will respect him. And in 20 years time when he meets someone who doesn’t know cycling, they won’t know who he is anyway.
 
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The majority of the population, no. But cycling people know. In 20 years time, when Pinot meets someone who knows cycling, he can tell them “I won in the Tour on the Tourmalet. I won the penultimate stage of a Giro. I won Lombardia,” and they will respect him. And in 20 years time when he meets someone who doesn’t know cycling, they won’t know who he is anyway.
When people don't know Pinot won Il Lombardia in 20 years

 
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It's true Pinot's gt statistic looks pretty horrific when it comes to DNF's but claiming the guy just shouldn't ride gt's for gc at all is nonsense.

He still has 5 gt top tens to his name and has even stood on the TdF podium before. It's not like he always suffers from those sort of problems, no exception. He did catch some sickness late in the 2018 giro and he did suffer from some freak injury in last years Tour and sure, there are other riders to whom that sort of stuff doesn't happen to as often. But then he finished the Vuelta 2018 on an absolute high. He won stage 20 of the Giro a year earlier and finished in fourth.

The fact that he didn't have problems for 21 stages in those races and not in this or last years Tour, well that's just bad luck. It doesn't mean he's not a gc contender altogether.
I agree with you, and Simurgh described the pros and cons, fairly, better than I could have. And thanks mcbindle for not piling on. IndianCyclist had this to say before today's stage:
His performance today will show if he is over his injuries. I do not not think he should attack today and keep his powder dry for a full on attack in 15 and 17 stages. It also gives the wounded or out of form of the team some more time to recover.
Amen.

For me tonight, it's cheap beer and sorrow. And expletives.
 
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Yes, I somehow forgot about that one!
It goes to show that Thibaut Pinot has won a bunch of big ones. The ITT in Romandie ahead of Dumourain and Dawg is another one. The Solden (I don't want to butcher the R climb's name) win was big, but the field was meh: Geraint, Spilak...no GT winner on the paper :).

La Ruta is the very first time that Tibopino was in the thick of things, fighting for GC win, it wasn't a sneak attack like Champeix, he was facing the best that Spain offered to cycling since BigMig, Contador and Valverde, two riders who arguably would be on a Mount Rushmore of Spanish cycling. That win gave him the belief that he was more than what some on this forum think he is.
 
Watching how much motion Pinot puts into out of the saddle attacking you can see why he needs everything to function for that style. It's a powerful climbing acceleration that he has and can sustain; unlike most of last year's Tour contenders. An opposing style example is Roglic: more compact and conservative in motion. He can't accelerate as long and hard as Pinot out of the saddle but can match anyone in a seated climb at the moment. He's also skied enough to know how to descend well and defend himself if he does go down.
My anecdotal experience with taller riders like Pinot is they seem to get more broadly injured on the average rodeo crash. They tend to have lower back issues as well if they have extremely low positions but that is another point. Contador was another rider with a unique style that didn't work as well after he crashed.
Pinot is my favorite rider to watch animate a race. If he's there; everyone knows he may kick their as* on the climb.
It may be his back that he torqued up in the crash. He can't do this thing in that condition. Really sorry for him, again.
 
I don't know why people are saying he should move away from being a GT rider.

He doesn't lack any of the ability to do that – he just had an illness and two injuries from crashes. Maybe with the illness you could say he can't physically last three weeks but injuries from crashes is just bad luck.

I firmly believe he would've won the Tour last year without his injury. He was the strongest climber and took time from Bernal on every mountain stage until he got hurt on stage 17. If he avoided the crosswinds in Albi he would've been a mile in front.

He's capable of a least one of the minor GTs.
 
Exactly. Who really cares about one week races or Lombardia? A few cycling diehards and contrarians perhaps, but certainly not the general public. It's all about GTs - especially the Tour. Pinot has maximised his exposure, and his earnings out of his talent. And has a few decent results to show for it as well. He shouldn't have any regrets.

Maybe not regretting his entire career and financial gain, but he might still think that he's a Tour underachiever, and isn't it the Tour that makes him gain that much?
Well, there won't be a conclusion from talking about someone's feeling that we can't confirm