Teams & Riders Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

[nelsonsmen71]

Pinot will podium, having a team in the mountains for some is necessary but for some it doesnt matter, you just sit behind others and follow the peleton/lead bunch however small it is, that is your team. Having a team for sprinting is a necessity. As for his weight, Pinot aint no fat boy slim fast! problem with many of you is your inside the fishbowl of cycling and sometimes your perspective because of that is limited. Im outside the fishbowl looking in and I am telling you all now you are wildly under-estimating Pinot, he has a fair chance of winning, granted less than 4 others but its fair and he chances of podium are very great. without crashing or illness I almost expect Pinot to podium 75% chance for me. Watch n see!

I like your optimism. Today was a setback though. To me top 5 - 75%, podium - 40%, 2nd - 15%, win <5%. Pinot himself (per his interviews) sees the Big 4 as better than him. For now. For a podium,many things need to go well; being on the good side of today's bordure was one of them. Hopefully for him, he won't miss other opportunities, and the other guys will.

All changed now for so many GC riders, Pinot can just still get 3rd, unless Contador or Gardren crash its Froom's TDF to lose now really but with 10 great climbers shafted today the mountains will be a free for all of attack on attack!

 

[Tonton]

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In my opinion he did ok today.

French teams on echelons...

Yep. The first week in general does/will expose the French weaknesses, wind, cobbles, TTT. Today was a setback but there are more traps to overcome, others will get caught. All about survival, and see after the TTT what you do next. Thibaut lost his gains from the ITT but still looks good compared to his nemesises: i.e. Valverde. These stages are taking a toll on teams: what on the paper looked like a good TTT team may be washed up when the TTT comes. FDJ has not done much, Movistar got hurt, Astana got hurt. So much for the "bad route" threads. It's going to be a superb TdF.

 

[rm7]

Am I the only one expecting big things from him tomorrow? He seems to have a nice punch. He'll definitely top10 tomorrow, maybe even top5.

 

[Tonton]

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Am I the only one expecting big things from him tomorrow? He seems to have a nice punch. He'll definitely top10 tomorrow, maybe even top5.

No you're not. If Madiot (who admittedly goes to CN on a daily basis) is smart, Pinot should focus on outdoing Piti week one. Get his wheel tomorrow, if you watched tape, you know where to take off before he gets in his "as usual" zone. Hit early, go for brokes. Get the time bonus, or at least some of it.

 

[Simurgh]

Very disappointing to see him (and Contador) lose time today, 27th in the GC. After a fine showing on the ITT, yesterday (missed a wheel) and today (dropped before the finale?) hasn't been good days..

 

[Tonton]

Yikes.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Really disappointed with Pinot today :/ Was really hoping for a top 3 somehow. Looks unlikely now

 

[BigMac]

Yikes.

Did he crash?

Not normal seeing him drop like that.

 

[Simurgh]

Yikes.

Did he crash?

Not normal seeing him drop like that.

He was dropped at Côte de Cherave

 

[qwer]

finally all this hype around pinot, is almost over... pinot never will make top5 in this tour...

 

[PremierAndrew]

Yikes.

Did he crash?

Not normal seeing him drop like that.

Fairly sure he just got dropped

 

[Tonton]

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finally all this hype around pinot, is almost over... pinot never will make top5 in this tour...

Top 5 is still possible. Podium, very very unlikely now.

 

[Gigs_98]

I am really sad for pinot and also for the french fans. That came really surprising

 

[Simurgh]

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finally all this hype around pinot, is almost over... pinot never will make top5 in this tour...

Hype? I think after a good showing last year (and dropped Nibali at the top of Port de Bales), and stage wins in Romandie and destroying everyone on the Rettenbachferner, it is only natural that we have high expectations.

 

[qwer]

Re: Re:

finally all this hype around pinot, is almost over... pinot never will make top5 in this tour...

Hype? I think after a good showing last year (and dropped Nibali at the top of Port de Bales), and stage wins in Romandie and destroying everyone on the Rettenbachferner, it is only natural that we have high expectations.

tour de suisse has 0 competition... rui costa won 3 times tour de suisse and what he does in tour? nothing!!!
he won a stage in romandie only because quintana and others left him go

 

[BigMac]

Yikes.

Did he crash?

Not normal seeing him drop like that.

He was dropped at Côte de Cherave

Fairly sure he just got dropped

I meant if he was involved in the big crash earlier.

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

finally all this hype around pinot, is almost over... pinot never will make top5 in this tour...

Hype? I think after a good showing last year (and dropped Nibali at the top of Port de Bales), and stage wins in Romandie and destroying everyone on the Rettenbachferner, it is only natural that we have high expectations.

Perhaps he is just talking about the unnecessary hype give to Pinot from this nelsonsmen71 person within the last few days. You're right; in general, I don't think he is hyped to much.

 

[Simurgh]

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finally all this hype around pinot, is almost over... pinot never will make top5 in this tour...

Hype? I think after a good showing last year (and dropped Nibali at the top of Port de Bales), and stage wins in Romandie and destroying everyone on the Rettenbachferner, it is only natural that we have high expectations.

tour de suisse has 0 competition... rui costa won 3 times tour de suisse and what he does in tour? nothing!!!
he won a stage in romandie only because quintana and others left him go

Rui Costa has never really proven himself as a GC man over 3 weeks, has he? So using him as an example is useless.
Spilak, Pozzovivo and Fuglsang (mediocre in that stage I'll give you that) is fine competition. Not A-level riders (Big 4), but certainly B or B+level as Pinot himself.
I can understand your opinion about Romandie, but managing to attack from a group consisting of Froome, Quintana etc. is still impressive, and more impressive is it to manage to keep them (and an in-form Zakarin) behind.

 

[qwer]

Re: Re:

finally all this hype around pinot, is almost over... pinot never will make top5 in this tour...

Hype? I think after a good showing last year (and dropped Nibali at the top of Port de Bales), and stage wins in Romandie and destroying everyone on the Rettenbachferner, it is only natural that we have high expectations.

tour de suisse has 0 competition... rui costa won 3 times tour de suisse and what he does in tour? nothing!!!
he won a stage in romandie only because quintana and others left him go

Rui Costa has never really proven himself as a GC man over 3 weeks, has he? So using him as an example is useless.
Spilak, Pozzovivo and Fuglsang (mediocre in that stage I'll give you that) is fine competition. Not A-level riders (Big 4), but certainly B or B+level as Pinot himself.
I can understand your opinion about Romandie, but managing to attack from a group consisting of Froome, Quintana etc. is still impressive, and more impressive is it to manage to keep them (and an in-form Zakarin) behind.

i will wait for stage 10 to prove that you are wrong

 

[Ramon Koran]

Think he would be better off abandoning and going for a win in the vuelta cause, lets face it, he is not going to make up any time on Froome, Contador, Quintana or nibali in the mountains. Purito seems in good shape and so is tvg.

 

[TommyGun]

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Think he would be better off abandoning and going for a win in the vuelta cause, lets face it, he is not going to make up any time on Froome, Contador, Quintana or nibali in the mountains. Purito seems in good shape and so is tvg.

So he should just abandon after 3 days because he is 3min down !? He is no Richie Porte... He will carry on and easily make top 10 and maybe top 5.
His teamate William Bonnet got a broken vertebra in the crash, and Pinot was right next to him and saw everything. According to his declarations on twitter, the shock of seeing his teamate crashing paralysed him for the finale. At least he shows he is not some radio-guided watt-fueled robot. The problem today was more psychological than physical.

 

[Vasilis]

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Think he would be better off abandoning and going for a win in the vuelta cause, lets face it, he is not going to make up any time on Froome, Contador, Quintana or nibali in the mountains. Purito seems in good shape and so is tvg.

So he should just abandon after 3 days because he is 3min down !? He is no Richie Porte... He will carry on and easily make top 10 and maybe top 5.
His teamate William Bonnet got a broken vertebra in the crash, and Pinot was right next to him and saw everything. According to his declarations on twitter, the shock of seeing his teamate crashing paralysed him for the finale. At least he shows he is not some radio-guided watt-fueled robot. The problem today was more psychological than physical.

Porte didn't abandon because he lost a few minutes. He abandoned because he crashed, consequently rode a crap TT and a horrible mountain stage, losing 30 minutes, not 3. But of course you knew that.
That said, I think he can still do top 10, he certainly shouldn't abandon. Top 5 will be hard, seeing how for example TJVG is going.

 

[Tonton]

If all four favorites make it to Paris, TJVG is the clear favorite for 5th place. Another setback, two in a row, but no reason to freak out just yet. Things are getting a lot more complicated though. He needs to ride very well tomorrow and hopefully several GC guys will lose a little time. After the TTT, we'll see. 3 minutes down may give him a small pass from Bertie and Dawg that he would not otherwise have been allowed. The suggestion that he should give up is ridiculous. You don't quit a tennis match when you get broken in the first set: you man up and fight back. Thibaut has a lot of fighting left in him. At least yesterday and today put to rest the "he peaked too early" BS.

 

[ILovecycling]

Extremely dissapointed, I hope he won't lose any more time tomoroz

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I don't know what happened. He didn't fall or anything and seemed in great shape.