This weekends Canadian Races

[maltiv]

Anyone got the full results?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Actually I got the impression EBH was pretty much spent. At his limit. Which is also why he didn't take many pulls.

 

[auscyclefan94]

he actually is not a bad tt'r (not a good one but not a bad one either), he claimed his altitude training for the tour affected his time trialing at suisse/tour

psss please do not yell to loud you may awake the haters. Loved seeing the racw=e commentated upon by canadians and jalabert!

They are already waking!!!!

Good to see Gesink win but I am glad I didn't get up for it as I would of had to put up with the dutch fan club going through their pom-pom chant routine for gesink.

I may have to keep off the forums for the next few days.

 

[hrotha]

I didn't think EBH's pulls were particularly weak, when he took them (which wasn't particularly often, as you guys say). On the other hand, Sagan's pulls were a bit of a joke much of the time, weren't they? I don't know, that's the impression I got.

 

[Cobblestoned]

I didn't think EBH's pulls were particularly weak, when he took them (which wasn't particularly often, as you guys say). On the other hand, Sagan's pulls were a bit of a joke much of the time, weren't they? I don't know, that's the impression I got.

I think all the riders in the chasing group spend more energy on "ellbowing" than on pedalling

Peter is not stupid and the pulls of all the riders in this group were just alibi-pulls

 

[royalpig180]

I think all the riders in the chasing group spend more energy on "ellbowing" than on pedalling

Peter is not stupid and the pulls of all the riders in this group were just alibi-pulls

Both Sagan and EBH could have done a little more pulling seeing as how they both knew they were the best sprinters in the group by a mile...

Either one of them could have put in a huge effort to catch Gesink and still outsprint Hesjedal and the rest.
Could be they were just worried about each other.

 

[The Hitch]

Both Sagan and EBH could have done a little more pulling seeing as how they both knew they were the best sprinters in the group by a mile...

Either one of them could have put in a huge effort to catch Gesink and still outsprint Hesjedal and the rest.
Could be they were just worried about each other.

It is likely they will be in these situations against eachother many times in their careers. If i were either i would figure to try my best to bring Gesink back. If the other screws me, plenty of years left for revenge.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Luckily they didn't put the finish on the top of the first climb because than the final would have been boring.

Something for the Amstel Gold Race organisers to learn from :!:

 

[royalpig180]

It is likely they will be in these situations against eachother many times in their careers. If i were either i would figure to try my best to bring Gesink back. If the other screws me, plenty of years left for revenge.

Valid point, but TBH Sagan is a far superior climber so ideally he should target races that are too hilly for the EBH type. Honestly, i was surprised by Hagen's performance on the climb today

 

[insideout leadout]

Sagan is a Gilbert or Bettini type of rider. EBH is a better climber then "sprinters who can climb" like Hushovd or Ciolek. Not sure how to label EBH...he's pretty unique.

 

[maltiv]

It is likely they will be in these situations against eachother many times in their careers. If i were either i would figure to try my best to bring Gesink back. If the other screws me, plenty of years left for revenge.

They were probably quite empty though, and obviously in a situation like that it has to be quite annoying to see the likes of Zubeldia refusing to do any pulls, just so he can get another 4. place finish...

Being a sprinter in the group of climbers is always a tough situation, because you will get attacked from everywhere, and when a gap opens up, you'll have a bunch of cowards on your wheel, refusing to do any work. Maybe they should realise that sure, they normally can't beat this sprinter in a sprint, but if they let someone ride away they most definitely won't win.

Edvalds best chance for worlds is that Cancellara will do like he did last year, pulling back all the breakaways single-handedly. At least that's a guy who races to win, instead of racing for second.

 

[jens_attacks]

nice thriller for the night.gesink got balls finally.great victory

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Sagan is a Gilbert or Bettini type of rider. EBH is a better climber then "sprinters who can climb" like Hushovd or Ciolek. Not sure how to label EBH...he's pretty unique.

EBH is pretty much Hushovd version 2.0. An improved version. Better TT, better climber, a bit less body.
Somewhere between Freire and Hushovd actually.

 

[maltiv]

EBH is pretty much Hushovd version 2.0. An improved version. Better TT, better climber, a bit less body.
Somewhere between Freire and Hushovd actually.

Hmm, I'd rather say somewhere between Hushovd and Cancellara.

 

[The Hitch]

Valid point, but TBH Sagan is a far superior climber so ideally he should target races that are too hilly for the EBH type. Honestly, i was surprised by Hagen's performance on the climb today

I dont think Sagan is that much better a climber than EBH. EBH has such a good sprint that he doesnt neccesarily focus on the climbs as much but when hes at his peak he can do climbs with them

Sagan is certainatly not "far superior"

 

[insideout leadout]

Good suggestions.

His climbing is spot on with Cancellara I think. Hushovd 2.0 I like that!

 

[The Hitch]

Hmm, I'd rather say somewhere between Hushovd and Cancellara.

Id say between Cancellara and Gilbert
+ sprints.

 

[royalpig180]

I dont think Sagan is that much better a climber than EBH. EBH has such a good sprint that he doesnt neccesarily focus on the climbs as much but when hes at his peak he can do climbs with them

Sagan is certainatly not "far superior"

Fine maybe not "far superior" but Sagan is definitely the better climber of the pair.

 

[maltiv]

Fine maybe not "far superior" but Sagan is definitely the better climber of the pair.

They've only raced against each other two times, which was this friday (when sagan was dropped, edvald was not) and today (none of them were dropped, not counting edvalds mysterious vanish). It's hard to say whether Edvald would've been in contention for the races sagan has won this year. Sagan is probably more explosive on the climbs though.

 

[ingsve]

Fine maybe not "far superior" but Sagan is definitely the better climber of the pair.

Ya, that's probably true. I think the difference between them could simply come down to weight. Sagan is 3 kg lighter then EBH so that slight advantage might correspond well to the climbing advantage.

 

[insideout leadout]

To tell you the truth...do we have enough info to judge that? That stage EBH won in Dauphine was at least as impressive as anything Sagan ever done on the climbs.

 

[maltiv]

Edvalds says he vanished in the end because his pedal pulled out. Man...that is some tough luck. He says he could've won if not, and if he says so then I thrust him...

All this bad luck has to stop sometime...and preferably at worlds, as it did with cadel!

 

[theswordsman]

Just a reminder from the official race site that Eurosport UK always had it scheduled for broadcast 4 days later:

British Eurosport: Delayed coverage on September 16 from 5:45 to 6:45 p.m. CET


http://preview.tinyurl.com/264486g

I sent Magnus a tweet - don't know if he'll see it.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

They've only raced against each other two times, which was this friday (when sagan was dropped, edvald was not) and today (none of them were dropped, not counting edvalds mysterious vanish). It's hard to say whether Edvald would've been in contention for the races sagan has won this year. Sagan is probably more explosive on the climbs though.

Actually today both of them were dropped today.

Duh.

 

[The Hitch]

Just a reminder from the official race site that Eurosport UK always had it scheduled for broadcast 4 days later:




http://preview.tinyurl.com/264486g

I sent Magnus a tweet - don't know if he'll see it.

Im sure that 20 20 cricket they had on eurosport 2 at the time was worth it.