Moose McKnuckles said:Can't even make this stuff up. I guess Santambrogio and DiLuca must have been framed.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-claims-that-doping-in-cycling-is-over
The Hitch said:Brailsford a good salesman? of what.
Dear Wiggo said:Himself and his credibility.
Just coz there's 12 of us in here not buying it, doesn't mean he's not a good salesman. Try and get a handle on his background before landing the top job at BC - makes close to no sense at all. And he's just gone from strength to strength since then. Is "head coach" but something tells me (intuition) he has no physiological knowledge of elite sport whatsoever. IMO he's a Chris Carmichael style beard. A very successful one.
Coz he can sell the myth.
86TDFWinner said:Been meaning to tell you guys: I have some ocean front property in Michigan I'm trying to unload, anyone interested?![]()
That's my impression too. Tinkov raced at a pretty decent level himself when he was younger, enough to know what really happens behind the scenes at least.MarkvW said:I think that he's just a super-rich guy out to have a lot of fun with a really cool toy. I also don't think he has any illusions whatsoever about the sport.
The Hitch said:Brailsford a good salesman? of what.
Dear Wiggo said:Just coz there's 12 of us in here not buying it, doesn't mean he's not a good salesman.
Dear Wiggo said:Uh no. BG was lucky, and at the right time, using someone else's software, in the right place. Harvard level maths? Puhlease. BG is like Tinkov in a way - good sales person.
Like Dave Brailsford.
Except Tinkov has sold things, whereas DB sells ideas and theories. Not sure they could switch places, although JV has done remarkably well turning real estate sales into DB-style idea and theory sales.
Briant_Gumble said:That was my interpretation of his success having read the book "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell.
Briant_Gumble said:Well I can't say I am overly familiar with Bill Gates.
That was my interpretation of his success having read the book "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell.
The point stands that I don't think all rich people are obnoxious although most of them are.
In the case of Tinkov he might be intelligent and shrewd but he's also obnoxious as is made obvious by his attitude to his cycling team.
Briant_Gumble said:Well I can't say I am overly familiar with Bill Gates.
That was my interpretation of his success having read the book "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell.
The point stands that I don't think all rich people are obnoxious although most of them are.
In the case of Tinkov he might be intelligent and shrewd but he's also obnoxious as is made obvious by his attitude to his cycling team.
MarkvW said:If he pays his riders well, gives them the (legal) tools that they need to succeed, and otherwise leaves them alone, then he is a good boss. In fact, that looks to be his style.
His attitude toward doping appears that he is going to do exactly what he is required to do by the UCI and exactly no more. If he takes a more aggressive antidoping attitude, then his team is going to be less competitive.
I'm not suggesting that his approach is noble or particularly moral, but it is right in keeping with UCI norms. There's plenty of room for criticizing him on the antidoping issue, but calling him an insulting name isn't called for (by the evidence available at this time).
MarkvW said:If he pays his riders well, gives them the (legal) tools that they need to succeed, and otherwise leaves them alone, then he is a good boss. In fact, that looks to be his style.
His attitude toward doping appears that he is going to do exactly what he is required to do by the UCI and exactly no more. If he takes a more aggressive antidoping attitude, then his team is going to be less competitive.
I'm not suggesting that his approach is noble or particularly moral, but it is right in keeping with UCI norms. There's plenty of room for criticizing him on the antidoping issue, but calling him an insulting name isn't called for (by the evidence available at this time).
MarkvW said:There's plenty of room for criticizing him on the antidoping issue, but calling him an insulting name isn't called for (by the evidence available at this time).
The Hitch said:Once again, 80% of danish cycling fans polled said they think sky are doping. Apparently when Walsh went on Irish radio most responses to the show disagreed with him. All Spanish cycling fans I know don't believe it and I would be surprised if that wasn't the case with most (certainly with the -cycling is a totally dirty sport attitude most hold) or if that didn't extend into other traditional cycling countries. Certainly in France vayer that other lemond journo have said things and vasseur I think I heard he made a comment during the race and French tv has been pretty liberal in accusing people before.
And it's not like everyone in England believes it, loads of the doubters on here and on Twitter are English including myself.
12 people? Maybe that's the number who believe Brailsford. It's certainly not the number that believes he is full of it.
D-Queued said:Hi Hitch,
I think Wiggo was referring to the 'Clinic 12'
(i.e. the continued reference within the Clinic to JV's twitter dismissal of a dozen people on a forum that care about this stuff. In fact, aren't you potentially part of such a group?)
Dave.
Esta le va a gustar a Izoard. Tinkoff ficha como miembro del staff a Bruno Cenghialta... Ariostea, Gewiss, Alessio y ... discípulo de Ferretti, Bombini y Palmiro Masciarelli.
the sceptic said:What is he? a director? Seems like he has been at some teams that knew a thing or two about marginal gains.. Sounds like Tinkov means buisness.![]()
the sceptic said:What is he? a director? Seems like he has been at some teams that knew a thing or two about marginal gains.. Sounds like Tinkov means buisness.![]()
Parrulo said:You guys are going to like this one i got from Parlamento:
Tinkoff signs Bruno Cenghialta which according to the poster on parlamento has some nice connections.
What do you guys think? The war seems to be on![]()