Tirreno-Adriatico 2023, March 6-12

[tobydawq]

You want to compare this to which effort of Evenepoel exactly? Either Evenepoel is racing for GC, so when he does a solo in a stagerace, he is always marked. Otherwise (Liège, Worlds, San Sebastian...) it's a one day race where the winner takes all. In this case, it was not a world championship or a monument, it was a stage in Tirreno, and Van der Poel was not riding for GC. Which is why he was allowed to go, which is why he wasn't marked by Pogacar or the other GC teams. Yes, in that sense it was very much "free". That doesn't mean he didn't have to work for it or was dropped off with a taxi. But feel free to act indignant, as if you do not know what i meant, and if you yourself do not see how the comparison with Evenepoel is as dumb as it gets.

Relax, everytime someone disagrees with you, they're not as dumb as they get.

I generally agree with you about what you write about Evenepoel and am not comparing this ride of Van der Poel to any of his but when you're always policing anybody who writes anything negative about Remco, Van Wilder, Van Aert and a few others, it seems extraordinarily hypocritical to call Van der Poel's ride in TA, one of the most epic rides of the decade, a free ride.

 

[postmanhat]

He is basically the same rider as Kwiatkowski was imo. Only with more leadership opportunities at Ineos on account of a) being British and b) no prime Froome to work for.

There are some similarities on the road so far, and that's a good point about Ineos's loss of two GT leaders in quick succession. But was Kwiat ever World CX champion or MTB Olympic Gold medallist? Pidcock was signed by them as a multidisciplinary rider who would gradually focus more on the road generally, then particularly GTs. World MTB this year, and Olympics next year are still his main medium term goals afaik?

 

[staubsauger]

I still don't understand why Ganna was top 5 wheels over the climb the first two times only to immidiately wave the white flag at the beginning of the last ascent. Surely he should've known better how to pace it?

Wasn't that primarily to position Arensman & Pidcock?
Hart kinda positioned himself by the look at it and eventually was the strongest.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Interviewer to Roglic: "You've proven that you don't have to shave your legs to be able to win".
Roglic: "Yeah, but that's why I lost one minute in the time trial".

Jeez, what a fu**ing legend! Ganna is a lucky bastard.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Relax, everytime someone disagrees with you, they're not as dumb as they get.

I generally agree with you about what you write about Evenepoel and am not comparing this ride of Van der Poel to any of his but when you're always policing anybody who writes anything negative about Remco, Van Wilder, Van Aert and a few others, it seems extraordinarily hypocritical to call Van der Poel's ride in TA, one of the most epic rides of the decade, a free ride.

I'm very careful in not calling people dumb, and i didn't call you dumb. The comparison was dumb. Because it was not either a one day race, or a stage while going for GC. You know what i meant, Pogacar and Van Aert, or any of the other GC teams, only fired up their engines at a moment he already had a 4 minute lead. And from the moment they did, his 4 minute lead melted away.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Let’s not pretend like VDP just got the 4 minute lead without working hard as hell to get it.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Let’s not pretend like VDP just got the 4 minute lead without working hard as hell to get it.

He had to work hard to get it, but the GC guys didn't try to prevent it from happening either. Both can be correct, no pretending needed. Unless you wish to pretend he took 4 minutes on a chasing peloton.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Let’s not pretend like VDP just got the 4 minute lead without working hard as hell to get it.

Make no mistake, it was a great effort by MVP in cold, attrocious conditions (at the end it looked like he ran out of glycogen). But, as Logic said, Pogacar and WVA turned on afterburners much later and it was due to their GC fight (especially the Slovenian was super strong and almost closed the gap before the line).

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

He had to work hard to get it

So therefore it’s not correct to say he got 4 minutes free (reading the CN article it seems like the gap never was more than like 3 minutes anyway). Like Kruiswijk didn’t get 5-6 minutes for free that time he attacked on the Alpe d’Huez stage.

In the case of MVDP stage the race was kind of blown apart already before he attacked, and there had been plenty of attempts the last 10-15 km or so before MVDP took off. It was truly an incredible ride.

When you say a rider got time for free it strongly indicates that basically every rider could do it. Like how the break of the day in a flat Tour de France stage often get many minutes “for free” while the peloton just soft pedals and the strength of the riders in the break is kind of irrelevant for how the time gap develops.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So therefore it’s not correct to say he got 4 minutes free (reading the CN article it seems like the gap never was more than like 3 minutes anyway). Like Kruiswijk didn’t get 5-6 minutes for free that time he attacked on the Alpe d’Huez stage.

In the case of MVDP stage the race was kind of blown apart already before he attacked, and there had been plenty of attempts the last 10-15 km or so before MVDP took off. It was truly an incredible ride.

When you say a rider got time for free it strongly indicates that basically every rider could do it. Like how the break of the day in a flat Tour de France stage often get many minutes “for free” while the peloton just soft pedals and the strength of the riders in the break is kind of irrelevant for how the time gap develops.

So when i put an ad up that people can come and pick up my fridge for free, but they need to load it up and transport it themselves, it suddenly isn't free anymore as there was an effort involved on their part?

The gap was 3 minutes 38 seconds the moment Pogacar attacks. So 4 minutes is closer to the truth than 3 minutes.

 

[Oldermanish]

You didn't see him going up each climb, twiddling his thumbs while whistling? How is he not good in this race? He's purposely not bothered going for a stagewin yet, because he doesn't want to overdo it like two years ago. Doesn't mean he is not good or that he could not have won today. And if he is bad, there is no way of knowing.

Wout's pretty good a freezing a peloton when he's not feeling great. He goes to the front and sets tempo and no one wants to attack off of it. That's pure pack respect IMO. On the other hand, Primoz was also close at hand so he didn't need to do much.

 

[Oldermanish]

So therefore it’s not correct to say he got 4 minutes free (reading the CN article it seems like the gap never was more than like 3 minutes anyway). Like Kruiswijk didn’t get 5-6 minutes for free that time he attacked on the Alpe d’Huez stage.

In the case of MVDP stage the race was kind of blown apart already before he attacked, and there had been plenty of attempts the last 10-15 km or so before MVDP took off. It was truly an incredible ride.

When you say a rider got time for free it strongly indicates that basically every rider could do it. Like how the break of the day in a flat Tour de France stage often get many minutes “for free” while the peloton just soft pedals and the strength of the riders in the break is kind of irrelevant for how the time gap develops.

Not to state the obvious as you guys do when too much time is spent discussing other riders/races on Remco's page...but you do go on about the theoretical. Get a room!

 

[Monsi]

So, apparently, there might be a 30 km/h headwind on the final climb to Sassotetto tomorrow, which is obviously bad news because the riders might just sit in the wheels before attacking in the final 2 km.

 

[noob]

Rogla: "Onwards!"

He looks like a happy kid. That youthful smile is worth a million lol

 

[Red Rick]

So, apparently, there might be a 30 km/h headwind on the final climb to Sassotetto tomorrow, which is obviously bad news because the riders might just sit in the wheels before attacking in the final 2 km.

There was a big headwind in 2018, I remember that. Gaps were tiny that day and Tirreno was decided because Thomas had a mechanical

Maybe we get crosswinds instead before the climb.

 

[Lequack]

Stage 4 Lanterne Rouge & Benji analysis

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp7FsVLVCMQ

And Stage 4 highlights

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQTY4VoBFY

 

[Monsi]

There was a big headwind in 2018, I remember that. Gaps were tiny that day and Tirreno was decided because Thomas had a mechanical

Maybe we get crosswinds instead before the climb.

Just saw the time gaps that day. Definitely not good for TV. Cross fingers we get crosswinds.

 

[noob]

Stage 4 Lanterne Rouge & Benji analysis

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp7FsVLVCMQ

Armpit sponsors and UAE hunger games amuses me in the LR analysis

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Not to state the obvious as you guys do when too much time is spent discussing other riders/races on Remco's page...but you do go on about the theoretical. Get a room!

I’m pretty sure I’ve never once been one of the guys complaining about other riders in the Remco thread, so a bit annoyed you quote me about this - but I’m a an easy target with my username I guess..

 

[Lequack]

Armpit sponsors and UAE hunger games amuses me in the LR analysis

Lol armpits sponsors, you were right!

 

[noob]

Lol armpits sponsors, you were right!

I wonder if they are there only on the podium or all the time

 

[Lequack]

Does Rogla have enough form for tomorrow's finish?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Anyway, good to see Alaphilippe competitive. Let's hope he can shake things up this year.

 

[YavorD]

Does Rogla have enough form for tomorrow's finish?

If there's a headwind (as somebody mentioned) I can see a group of around 10 in the last kilometers. From there Roglic should be good enough to win. If, however, the pace is really high with attacks, I'm afraid he isn't good enough just yet.

 

[Tonton]

Two stages can shape the GC, the Tortoreto is where anyone with GC aspirations needs to be careful: don't lose stupid time being 20th and a gap opens between 14th and 15th.

My chouchou must have read my post over breakfast. . Just to contradict me and again play with my nerves, he finished...16th.

Good to see Thibaut Pinot not making that mistake, and also having the punch. No disrespect to McNulty who was 20th by the way. But he, Woods, Martin, and Lutsenko lost stupid time today.