Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[BotanyBay]

I used this stuff called “crack” and who knew it would wind up having a banned substance / illegal substance in it? I can not think of a better name for a diet supplement.

Seriously did he not get a clue with the name? Maybe the boys from New Jack City could point him in Pookie's direction and he can get his “learn on”.

nice quote for Pookie -"They call it the Enterprise Room, man, because it's for people who wanna be beamed up to Scotty."

Any coincidence that he's named Chris "Rock"? I think not!

 

[fatandfast]

In all seriousness, the protein powder is actually an excellent aid. I was ~25lb above my old (ancient) race weight, and without increasing my sports volume (running twice a week and mild bike commuting), I did drop 22lb already weight, and am now more muscular and lean than ever.

You could just limit yourself to eating eggs and meats (cut carbs way drastically, just get it from mixed veggies), but the protein powder makes life and dieting a whole lot more interesting, as well as convenient. today I ate some proteine nriched pancakes with low carb jam. Pretty awesome, if I do say so myself. Ham and cheese would have been a better diet choice, but I had none.

A pro athletes ought to have their supplements doping tested before use. Costs less than intension doping itself. That's why you get the ban even if you didn'y intend to dope.

Your approach to using protien powder is another sucess story. The suppliments sold in the US for the most part are not tested but "self certified". There are advertised substances that are not present in the product. The FDA is super scared of suppliments. With food coming in from all over the world US food safety is a game of Wack-a-Mole for the government. Kids have died from peanut butter,lettuce,hamburgers,strawberries,OJ,chicken nuggets to name a few. As an amatuer you can use anything you want and almost no probability of getting popped. A pro is a fool to beleive anything written on the package..let alone a jug labeled Crack. Little backround checks on good and bad food alike will reveal that the reason you have not been poisioned is pure luck, the government is not doing.chit. In fact our food supply is getting bigger every year,soon we will not know where even a green onion comes from or fresh herbs. People are getting hormones from tap water. Flushing medication into the toilet can make some other chump come up positive. Not so long ago some hippy food group did a test of lettuce in the Central Valley and found large traces of fecal matter and birthcontrol drugs in the leaves of the plant. If eating 'good" food gives you a shot at a positive having Crack for breakfast is an almost sure thing. All these posts that include-pro teams should..start wrong, most pro teams scramble just for travel money and overhead costs to get meals and gasoline..testing food or suppliments is way out of scale for 98% of the pro cycling teams..most rider make less than 15k a year. Powder works for lots of people the source is always the weak link

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I dropped 30 lbs by riding my bike 45-60 mins each day (slowly) and through simple portion control... going so far as to measure the weight of my food to coincide with the serving sizes on packages and recipies. I did this in 3 months. And my usual lunch was a slice of pizza and a diet coke (midtown manhattan, folks). So I lost 30 lbs, ate pizza most days, had a 1500 calories per day diet, rode my bike into race-fit condition in about 6 weeks (from a zero-level of fitness). No powders, no special anything.

Why not go spend a hundie for lunch just south of "HOUSEston" street (prince st. and broadway)?

 

[biokemguy]

Don't really have an opinion about the guys doping, but the banned substance methylhexanamine

is not the same as methyl xanthine

so I don't think he's quite as dumb as some here think.

Even though Xanthines are mild stimulants, they can't be found in the 2010 WADA prohibited list. Caffeine is in this family of compounds.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

the banned substance methylhexanamine

is not the same as methyl xanthine

so I don't think he's quite as dumb as some here think.

They have obviously different names, so I'm not sure about your valiant defense of the guy's intelligence.

As has been said: if you're competing, be sure of what you're injesting.

Illiteracy is not that strong of a defence...

 

[Cloxxki]

Your approach to using protien powder is another sucess story. The suppliments sold in the US for the most part are not tested but "self certified". There are advertised substances that are not present in the product. The FDA is super scared of suppliments. With food coming in from all over the world US food safety is a game of Wack-a-Mole for the government. Kids have died from peanut butter,lettuce,hamburgers,strawberries,OJ,chicken nuggets to name a few. As an amatuer you can use anything you want and almost no probability of getting popped. A pro is a fool to beleive anything written on the package..let alone a jug labeled Crack. Little backround checks on good and bad food alike will reveal that the reason you have not been poisioned is pure luck, the government is not doing.chit. In fact our food supply is getting bigger every year,soon we will not know where even a green onion comes from or fresh herbs. People are getting hormones from tap water. Flushing medication into the toilet can make some other chump come up positive. Not so long ago some hippy food group did a test of lettuce in the Central Valley and found large traces of fecal matter and birthcontrol drugs in the leaves of the plant. If eating 'good" food gives you a shot at a positive having Crack for breakfast is an almost sure thing. All these posts that include-pro teams should..start wrong, most pro teams scramble just for travel money and overhead costs to get meals and gasoline..testing food or suppliments is way out of scale for 98% of the pro cycling teams..most rider make less than 15k a year. Powder works for lots of people the source is always the weak link

It's not so strange really. Humans didn't evolve with heaps of carbs to our disposals. So, you're a prehistoric hunter/gatherer. How are you going to ever eat more carbs than proteins? Only if you're a lousy hunter that won't eat stuff already dead. Same for some of the now rare tribal hunters in Africa or North America.
Flash forward to 2010. Supermarket age. Meat costs. Bread, Rice, patatoes, pasta have made their entrance in our diet. Try to match the prehistoric diet for carbs vs. protein vs. fat. You can't do it unless you cut all the (good tasting) carb sources.
Sure, without the protein powder you can get the same result. Eat more meat. In stead of my 2*50g protein shakes I long used for lunch, I could have downed a pound of chicken breast. Ground beef if I wanted a bit more fat.
Carbs, if you don't do a lot of working out, can get a human to pile up fat. Cut the carbs, and the fat goes. Oddly, eating fatty foods themselves isn't the first thing you need to do.

Anyway, if you're a pro, or racing serious enough to get tested, you watch out what you take. Am I ever lucky to be European, we have food rules beyond a kosher certificate. My powders also were tested for heavy metals, some US sources had been reported to be rich in those. Meth or Clen, I can't be sure. By the time I'll go back to racing, I'll be sure to pick my sources extra carefully.
I get my beef exclusively Spain and Latin America, BTW. Somehow I seem to lose more weight with it. ;-)

 

[biokemguy]

Guess I should have referred to posts up thread. The good Dr. Maserati and Ripper claimed that the label of the supplement listed the banned substance as an ingredient. When I checked, I couldn't find it anywhere, so I figured based on the post quoted below that there was a misunderstanding of chemistry.

I figure the guy is probably cheating, but also the lax regulations of the supplement industry (at least in the US) keep me away from any of that stuff. With one exception: I use gatorade type sports drinks for long rides.

Funny stuff these supplements (seriously ... these things are crazy, not really like taking multivitamins or a protein bar, more like taking ... speed ).

The website (http://www.revolutions-nutrition.com/product/details/21/Crack) lists the ingredients as:
Cracked Out Proprietary Blend 13,972mg
Creasorb Blend: Dicreatine Malate, Creatine Gluconate, Creatine Ethyl Ester.
Vasopump Blend: L-Arginine AKG, L-Arginine Ethyl Ester, L-Ornithine. Rebuild Blend: L-Lysine, L-Glutamine, L-Leucine.
Enduramax Blend: Modified Glucose Polymers, Taurine, Beta-Alanine, Glucoronolactone.
Methampheta-Stim Matrix: L-Tyrosine, Methyl-xanthine Anhydrous, Guarana extract (extracted for 1,7-Dimethyl-xanthine), Geranium extract (extracted for 1,3-Dimethyl-amylamine), Guarana, Acacia Rigidula, Choline Bitartrate.
Electroplenish Blend: Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Sodium Citrate Rapid Absorption Technology: ß-Hydroxytricarballylic acid, Effersoda (Microen-capsulated Sodium-Bicarbonate)

Wow, it reads like it might actually be crack! Anyhoo, some extra reading and review (not much, but when your worried about what you eat ...) does indicate that the ingredients are banned. But it is not so obvious as to just look at the WADA list (below) and see it in there ('cause it's not actually named there).

(From WADA)
Non-Specified Stimulants:
Adrafinil; amfepramone; amiphenazole; amphetamine; amphetaminil; benfluorex; benzphetamine; benzylpiperazine; bromantan; clobenzorex; cocaine; cropropamide; crotetamide; dimethylamphetamine; tilamphetamine; famprofazone; fencamine; fenetylline; fenfluramine; fenproporex; furfenorex; mefenorex; mephentermine; mesocarb; methamphetamine(d-); p-methylamphetamine; methylenedioxyamphetamine; methylenedioxymethamphetamine;
methylhexaneamine (dimethylpentylamine); modafinil; norfenfluramine;
phendimetrazine; phenmetrazine; phentermine; 4-phenylpiracetam
(carphedon); prenylamine; prolintane.A stimulant not expressly listed in this section is a Specified Substance.
b: Specified Stimulants (examples):
Adrenaline**; cathine***; ephedrine****; etamivan; etilefrine; fenbutrazate;
fencamfamin; heptaminol; isometheptene; levmetamphetamine;
meclofenoxate; methylephedrine****; methylphenidate; nikethamide;
norfenefrine; octopamine; oxilofrine; parahydroxyamphetamine;
pemoline; pentetrazol; phenpromethamine; propylhexedrine;
pseudoephedrine*****; selegiline; sibutramine; strychnine;
tuaminoheptane and other substances with a similar chemical structure or
similar biological effect(s).

PS - loved the Blame Canada line!

 

[brianf7]

Bike racers are not more or less intelligent than any other athlete or non-athlete.

Dirty dopers should be banned for life.

Ignorance is not an excuse...merely adds to the situation.

You go to the doctor sick and he gives you some meds and 3 months later you ride in a race and tested positive to metabolites of the stuff the Doc gave you for the flue or whatever .

So you ban someone who has taken a medication for illness that is breach of human rights. WADA dont give TUE,s unless you get a diagnosis from an expert specialist.
Doctors dont have that sort of time to work with when you are ill.

I am refering to club recreational cyclist not top riders.
If you need additional Protine other than a glass of milk or iced coffee after a ride they buy pure Whey protine and if you dont need it then it is probably doing more harm than good .
excess protine causes all sorts of Kidney dissorders so you probably wont get enough sleep having to go to the loo 4-5 times in the night. so you turn up at the bike race stuffed before the start.

 

[Oldman]

Guess I should have referred to posts up thread. The good Dr. Maserati and Ripper claimed that the label of the supplement listed the banned substance as an ingredient. When I checked, I couldn't find it anywhere, so I figured based on the post quoted below that there was a misunderstanding of chemistry.

I figure the guy is probably cheating, but also the lax regulations of the supplement industry (at least in the US) keep me away from any of that stuff. With one exception: I use gatorade type sports drinks for long rides.

I'm not sure the guy planned to cheat (with this product) or even thought it had banned substances in it and I doubt it made the difference in his race. The fact that guys seek an edge with these products is what suggests the rider's ignorance is also self-serving. If you seek the edge you'd better know what's in the product rather than asking the kid at the mini-mart to analyze the ingredients. Why do it at all if, as the rider said: "I am 1000% against doping..."?

 

[Boeing]

there are a few fat idiot masters here in the OC who beg their docs for non symptomatic Testosterone scrips

I wont out but I might tell you what bikes they ride

 

[veganrob]

there are a few fat idiot masters here in the OC who beg their docs for non symptomatic Testosterone scrips

I wont out but I might tell you what bikes they ride

Oh c'mon man. You can't leave us hanging like that. I'm in the nose of my San Marco. haha

 

[Ripper]

there are a few fat idiot masters here in the OC who beg their docs for non symptomatic Testosterone scrips

I wont out but I might tell you what bikes they ride

Sure, I'd like to know what bikes they ride!

 

[BotanyBay]

I meet so many racers that are "Organic this" and "all natural that" and all about eating healthy, reading the ingredients labels, avoiding High-fructose corn syrup and anything "bad" for them (nutritionally). And then I see the posts regarding the ingredients on that tub of "Crack". The list looks like a chemistry lab inventory sheet (and a confusing one at that).

It's truly amazing that so many riders are willing to scoop powder from a tub and eat/drink it, simply because it comes in a tub, costs $35 and says "too strong to be legal" on it.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I meet so many racers that are "Organic this" and "all natural that" and all about eating healthy, reading the ingredients labels, avoiding High-fructose corn syrup and anything "bad" for them (nutritionally). And then I see the posts regarding the ingredients on that tub of "Crack". The list looks like a chemistry lab inventory sheet (and a confusing one at that).

It's truly amazing that so many riders are willing to scoop powder from a tub and eat/drink it, simply because it comes in a tub, costs $35 and says "too strong to be legal" on it.

That is the way I feel about the "power gels" / "GU" or whatever they call it these days. Just because it is manufactured and packaged for "athletes" then by all means buy a bunch of it and toss it down the piehole.

 

[Boeing]

Sure, I'd like to know what bikes they ride!

one rides a custom holland
socal

 

[BroDeal]

That is the way I feel about the "power gels" / "GU" or whatever they call it these days. Just because it is manufactured and packaged for "athletes" then by all means buy a bunch of it and toss it down the piehole.

Gels are super convenient. They are way overpriced for what they are, but they are extremely useful for all types of racing.

 

[BotanyBay]

That is the way I feel about the "power gels" / "GU" or whatever they call it these days. Just because it is manufactured and packaged for "athletes" then by all means buy a bunch of it and toss it down the piehole.

And then they toss the GU package onto Pacific Coast Highway, because they might get their jersey pockets "sticky". PCH is always littered with these things.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Gels are super convenient. They are way overpriced for what they are, but they are extremely useful for all types of racing.

Snickers is useful and so is a Coca Cola left opened overnight and bottled before a race. I agree with you that they are overpriced but useful. I just hate them for some reason.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

And then they toss the GU package onto Pacific Coast Highway, because they might get their jersey pockets "sticky". PCH is always littered with these things.

And they're mylar!

That sh*t'll last forever. At least the fatty masters have something to look at as they ride towards their next gerontologist appointment. At least it's yellowish...

Next round of HGH is on me!

 

[BroDeal]

Snickers is useful and so is a Coca Cola left opened overnight and bottled before a race. I agree with you that they are overpriced but useful. I just hate them for some reason.

You have to chew Snickers, which can be hard to do when you are breathing hard. In cool temperatures some candy bars become hard. One of the less viscous gels can be opened and slammed down in seconds. They offer 100 calories, which would take a half a liter of isotonic sugar solution. Using a gel instead of a sports drink allows fluid intake to be separated from calorie intake.

You can use all sorts of things in lieu of gels, honey, maple syrup, corn syrup, etc. As the sayig goes, you can burn anything if the fire is hot enough. Put them in gel flasks and they work fine, but often they are not as convenient as individual 100 cal packages.

I do like peanut butter Twix in cool temperatures. In hotter ones they melt.

 

[BotanyBay]

Snickers is useful and so is a Coca Cola left opened overnight and bottled before a race. I agree with you that they are overpriced but useful. I just hate them for some reason.

I never minded belching-out a good foghorn after getting a coke feed. The ideal circumstance was fresh out of an ice-cold cooler. Fizz and all. I could down that whole can in less than a minute. And thanks to Winning magazine for writing that article about Doug Shapiro attacking in the feed zone and making Jan Raas miss his can of Coke. I never would have thought of it before that article. It made all that suffering worth the effort.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

You have to chew Snickers, which can be hard to do when you are breathing hard. In cool temperatures some candy bars become hard. One of the less viscous gels can be opened and slammed down in seconds. They offer 100 calories, which would take a half a liter of isotonic sugar solution. Using a gel instead of a sports drink allows fluid intake to be separated from calorie intake.

You can use all sorts of things in lieu of gels, honey, maple syrup, corn syrup, etc. As the sayig goes, you can burn anything if the fire is hot enough. Put them in gel flasks and they work fine, but often they are not as convenient as individual 100 cal packages.

I do like peanut butter Twix in cool temperatures. In hotter ones they melt.

100km out, have a coke and a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar.

TT back for 100km. There's a day...

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17753219

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency says cyclist Andrew Tilin of Oakland, Calif., has accepted a two-year period of ineligibility after admitting to using synthetic testosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone, or DHEA.

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17753219

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency says cyclist Andrew Tilin of Oakland, Calif., has accepted a two-year period of ineligibility after admitting to using synthetic testosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone, or DHEA.

Anyone ask Andrew whose behavior he was modelling, or where he got the idea this would be beneficial?

Dave.

 

[joe_papp]

Anyone ask Andrew whose behavior he was modelling, or where he got the idea this would be beneficial?

Dave.

Tilin doped so that he could write a book about it and increase his income. Full stop. He did so knowing that it was against the rules. He found a willing and compliant anti-aging doctor and had her manage the program - which he knew was incompatible with racing. But which he did anyway - so that he'd have a story to tell and could charge for it.