Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[veganrob]

Tilin doped so that he could write a book about it and increase his income. Full stop. He did so knowing that it was against the rules. He found a willing and compliant anti-aging doctor and had her manage the program - which he knew was incompatible with racing. But which he did anyway - so that he'd have a story to tell and could charge for it.

Damn. What a great idea. I should think of that sh!t

 

[D-Queued]

Tilin doped so that he could write a book about it and increase his income. Full stop. He did so knowing that it was against the rules. He found a willing and compliant anti-aging doctor and had her manage the program - which he knew was incompatible with racing. But which he did anyway - so that he'd have a story to tell and could charge for it.

Fool.

Dave.

 

[joe_papp]

Andrew Tilin

Fool.

Dave.

He'll be laughing all the way to the bank if the book does well. Someone told me they thought the advance was near six figures, both to cover the cost of his "prep" and in recognition of the risks he was assuming. I don't know that I buy it though...

I could see how someone might be tempted to admire Tilin's resourcefulness: he interviews more experienced doper(s) first, and then, finding a dearth of inexperienced amateur dopers to write about, decides to become one himself. Bingo. If I'd known what he was planning I would have done a Jordi Riera (look him up) and charged for my time.

MODS: maybe break these last few posts out into a new "Andrew Tilin the Doping Journalist" thread? Link to the VeloNation coverage: here.

PS. I noticed that this is my 666th post. Cool.

 

[MacRoadie]

PS. I noticed that this is my 666th post. Cool.

Sorry, Joe.

The position of Cycling Antichrist has already been filled...

 

[D-Queued]

Sorry, Joe.

The position of Cycling Antichrist has already been filled...

And, you have to stop now. One more post and you will burn in h*ll.

(Still April 1 where I am)

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/belgian-amateur-champion-receives-one-year-ban



Be careful what you wish for. I love it. A guy "1000% against doping" takes a supplement called "Crack".

To the rest of you "1000% against doping" dopers. Eat right and get lots of sleep. The protein powder doesn't work. All it ever does is end up mentioned in a doping case.

I don't get the "fattie" doper comment. The man isn't fat at all. Is this just an expression of road biker body dysmorphism?

 

[Adamastor]

Eat healthily, drink milk and stay away from Spanish cows and crack!

 

[Quickfix]

[MODS: maybe break these last few posts out into a new "Andrew Tilin the Doping Journalist" thread? Link to the VeloNation coverage: here.

PS. I noticed that this is my 666th post. Cool.[/QUOTE]

"Tilin should have received a 4yr ban for the egregious nature of his offense, given his longstanding awareness of the (-) consequences. "

Egregious for sure but are there really any dopers that do so without an awareness of the (-) consequences? Highly unlikely!

 

[mountaindew]

He'll be laughing all the way to the bank if the book does well. Someone told me they thought the advance was near six figures, 666th post. Cool.

April fools joke I'm sure.

 

[dolophonic]

Ha .. i have talked to another journo who mentioned about doing this as "research" i think its more like they just want to dope and can always say the did it for the "story" yeah right.
When i heard this before i was like you feckin doper.
They still want to race and take the glory.. but if caught they can moralize it as "research" so lame.
I was originally shocked,then: dopers gonna dope.

 

[Berzin]

He found a willing and compliant anti-aging doctor and had her manage the program...

Let's set a few things straight here.

There is no such thing as an "anti-aging" doctor. Anti-aging is not a recognized field of medicine. You cannot specialize in a type of medicine that is not officially practiced or recognized as a practice.

Also, willing, compliant and "anti-aging doctor" pretty much go hand in hand. They are in business to sell to any client who can pay, regardless of what the medical necessity is. These quacks are not endocrinologists but people who practice other types of medicine (many aren't even real doctors) who then get into this gray area of medicine simply and purely for the profit.

And the profit does not lie in the practice of monitoring endocrine levels but in the selling of steroids and HgH, which as I'm sure you know can be found a lot cheaper if one has a pipeline to a source that frequently travels through Central/South America and/or the Caribbean.

Tú no eres el único que sabes, compadre.

 

[joe_papp]

Let's set a few things straight here.

There is no such thing as an "anti-aging" doctor. Anti-aging is not a recognized field of medicine. You cannot specialize in a type of medicine that is not officially practiced or recognized as a practice.

Take it up with Tilin. He described the doctor as such.

PS. Quizas tú quisiste decir: "Tú no eres el único quien sabe, compadre."?

 

[D-Queued]

Let's set a few things straight here.

There is no such thing as an "anti-aging" doctor. Anti-aging is not a recognized field of medicine. You cannot specialize in a type of medicine that is not officially practiced or recognized as a practice.

Also, willing, compliant and "anti-aging doctor" pretty much go hand in hand. They are in business to sell to any client who can pay, regardless of what the medical necessity is. These quacks are not endocrinologists but people who practice other types of medicine (many aren't even real doctors) who then get into this gray area of medicine simply and purely for the profit.

And the profit does not lie in the practice of monitoring endocrine levels but in the selling of steroids and HgH, which as I'm sure you know can be found a lot cheaper if one has a pipeline to a source that frequently travels through Central/South America and/or the Caribbean.

Tú no eres el único que sabes, compadre.

Of course, you can specialize in it. Just like you can specialize in chiropractic. Chirpractors in New Mexico can even write 'scripts.

Not being recognized by the AMA doesn't mean you cannot specialize in it. There are 26,000 practitioners.

Yes, they do it for a profit. Show me a dentist's practice or a plastic surgeon's that isn't.

Not that I condone it. In fact, I strongly oppose it. But there is a college and everything.

Is it any worse, or more geared towards profit, than injecting botulin toxin?

And, what about stents?

There are plenty of questionable practices by licensed MDs.

Dave.

 

[Oldman]

Let's set a few things straight here.

There is no such thing as an "anti-aging" doctor. Anti-aging is not a recognized field of medicine. You cannot specialize in a type of medicine that is not officially practiced or recognized as a practice.

Also, willing, compliant and "anti-aging doctor" pretty much go hand in hand. They are in business to sell to any client who can pay, regardless of what the medical necessity is. These quacks are not endocrinologists but people who practice other types of medicine (many aren't even real doctors) who then get into this gray area of medicine simply and purely for the profit.

And the profit does not lie in the practice of monitoring endocrine levels but in the selling of steroids and HgH, which as I'm sure you know can be found a lot cheaper if one has a pipeline to a source that frequently travels through Central/South America and/or the Caribbean.

Tú no eres el único que sabes, compadre.

I'm glad you put the quotes around "anti-aging doctor". Any "MD" that emphasizes quick fix drug use rather than healthy personal behavior already treads into quackdom imo. That includes botox injections, lipo, etc. Let them practice but call it that: "practice" and put make it MD*. The ads are rampant on West Coast TV for "low T". Instead get your lethargic patients to "practice" some discipline and excercise a bit. If they need it for legitimate health purposes then you can remove the asterix.

 

[JA.Tri]

Andrew Tinlin aside

This article has been mentioned several times, in various other threads, before:

http://outsideonline.com/outside/bodywork/200311/200311_drug_test_1.html

The story is interesting and comes across as far less self serving than AT's book seems likely to be.

 

[Kennf1]

I'm glad you put the quotes around "anti-aging doctor". Any "MD" that emphasizes quick fix drug use rather than healthy personal behavior already treads into quackdom imo. That includes botox injections, lipo, etc. Let them practice but call it that: "practice" and put make it MD*. The ads are rampant on West Coast TV for "low T". Instead get your lethargic patients to "practice" some discipline and excercise a bit. If they need it for legitimate health purposes then you can remove the asterix.

The next frontier for the anti-aging crowd is manipulation of telomeres. There fad supplements out there that tout a non--prescription mix that can lengthen your telomeres, thereby allowing the cell to divide a greater number of times and get past the Hayflick limit. However, there are some actual drugs in clinical trials that claim to be able to actually do this--manipulate the ends of your chromosomes to extend telomere length. The Geron corporation is working on such drugs, as well as some anti-cancer drugs. The anti-cancer drugs sound promising. The anti-aging drugs sound scary.

 

[BroDeal]

Tilin doped so that he could write a book about it and increase his income. Full stop. He did so knowing that it was against the rules. He found a willing and compliant anti-aging doctor and had her manage the program - which he knew was incompatible with racing. But which he did anyway - so that he'd have a story to tell and could charge for it.

A brotha gotta eat. No one else has been willing to come forward and explain in detail the effects of doping. The book will be interesting to many people. It will also probably encourage others to dope...

The difference between a writer doping to make make money and a pro athlete doping to make money escapes me.

 

[rata de sentina]

You are still using that tired old argument from 2004? You and VeloFidelis should get together. Assuming you can stand the smell at his sewer house, you two could have a right good time complaining to each other about how the bad men on the Internet refuse to worship dope fueled winners in cycling.

Maybe they could start a self help group for people who get all twisted up and apoplectic at the trivial. These are the sort of nannys who take umbrage at people saying mean stuff about Darwin award recipients. Still we should take this stuff seriously because these are the sort of people responsible for all the PC crap infesting our lives and they need to be taken to task at every opportunity.

BTW there must be various levels of sewer because I can't see VeloFidelis down here anywhere.

 

[usedtobefast]

Maybe they could start a self help group for people who get all twisted up and apoplectic at the trivial. These are the sort of nannys who take umbrage at people saying mean stuff about Darwin award recipients. Still we should take this stuff seriously because these are the sort of people responsible for all the PC crap infesting our lives and they need to be taken to task at every opportunity.

BTW there must be various levels of sewer because I can't see VeloFidelis down here anywhere.

ask for Dante

 

[patricknd]

A brotha gotta eat. No one else has been willing to come forward and explain in detail the effects of doping. The book will be interesting to many people. It will also probably encourage others to dope...

The difference between a writer doping to make make money and a pro athlete doping to make money escapes me.

or a rider selling dope to make money......

 

[jimmypop]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us-masters-champion-suspended-for-steroid

The US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) today suspended Mebane, North Carolina's Peter Cannell for doping.

37 year-old Cannell tested positive for the anabolic agent drostanolone in an out-of-competition test taken on April 16, 2010.

Ripped from wikipedia (emphasis mine):

Drostanolone (INN; also known as dromostanolone or Drolban) is an anabolic steroid. Its main medical applications are to lower cholesterol levels, and as an antineoplastic agent in the treatment of some cancers. It is most commonly marketed as the ester drostanolone propionate (trade name Masteron).

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us-masters-champion-suspended-for-steroid



Ripped from wikipedia (emphasis mine):

What? No back-dated TUE? Frickin' amateur...

 

[Kennf1]

I'm somewhat amazed USADA is doing out-of-competition tests on amateurs (albeit national champion masters).

 

[zwiebel2004]

I'm somewhat amazed USADA is doing out-of-competition tests on amateurs (albeit national champion masters).

I know there is a program where USADA allows for anonymous reporting of riders for doping. That could have been the cause of the out of competition test.

Another, though farfetched option: He also could have submitted for a TUE for the drug in question while using the drug. USADA could have decided to test to see if he was using it before he had approval.

Just a thought.

 

[this_is_edie]

I'm somewhat amazed USADA is doing out-of-competition tests on amateurs (albeit national champion masters).

a lot of masters were rumored to be on the Joe Papp list. I have no idea if this guy was but yes it is strange to see resources & money spent on testing masters.