Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[Wallace and Gromit]

In French we have the MMS principle :

20 ans : Matin, Midi, Soir
40 ans : Mardi, Mercredi, Samedi
60 ans : Mars, Mai, Septembre

No need for translation is there?

Bl**dy hell. You Frenchies are a randy bunch!

 

[MarkvW]

Look at the kids bike. Deep rim Zipps. WTF!?

I rode with trainers and a hand-me-down bike till I was 18.

Yeah, but you had the advantage of walking ten miles to school every day--up a mountain--in the snow.

 

[Oldman]

Different strokes for different folks.

That's the problem. He's just stroking himself and eliminating the point of semblance of sportsmanship. We are speaking theoretically here and my initial point was based on his reputation.

 

[DirtyWorks]

People ragging the vet for dissing the junior, but does anyone have info on the race in the pic? Could be they are racing 2 different races, like they do here, running multiple grades on a crit course simultaneously?

Many times different groups are run together or end up finishing together in the U.S. Most of the people commenting here that race in the U.S. know this.

The kid racing carbon wheels is part of the same problem really. This is the USA Cycling environment Thom wants.

 

[MarkvW]

That's the problem. He's just stroking himself and eliminating the point of semblance of sportsmanship. We are speaking theoretically here and my initial point was based on his reputation.

Sure. I was just commenting on my belief that a wide variety of different motivations could prompt an old guy to dope and that motivations vary between dopers.

 

[jam pants]

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

Hey, lay off! This was in 2010, and he wasn't doping then.

 

[gobuck]

screw that, he owes me a leaders jersey from the 2000 Killington race!

 

[DirtyWorks]

screw that, he owes me a leaders jersey from the 2000 Killington race!

Part of winning is never testing positive. He trained harder than you in 2000.
So, he won. Really, you are just a bitter loser.

That's USA Cycling policy in a nutshell and the consequences of Wiesel's "doping is okay" policy.

 

[BroDeal]

"Eight-year-olds, Dude. Eight-year-olds!"

 

[DirtyWorks]

"Eight-year-olds, Dude. Eight-year-olds!"

The magic of exogenous Testosterone in that photo. Get thee to an anti-aging clinic! Quick!

 

[Benotti69]

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

This is Armstrong's future...............

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Not having a sense or humour is worse.

It is not to late for you to get one

 

[Winterfold]

The magic of exogenous Testosterone in that photo. Get thee to an anti-aging clinic! Quick!

Eh? That is clearly a dude in his late 50s or 60s - how old is this guy?

 

[Berzin]

You need to read my statement more carefully because I didn't include people who don't dope. Past that, spying the motivation for someone like the riders we are discussing is not terribly difficult. If you want to believe in cupcakes and rainbows, be my guest, but I know better.

You don't know, you just think you do. I'll bet you don't know one person who dopes. You don't know the pipeline for access, you don't know how much the stuff costs or how these cats administer their PED's asdie from what you've read on the internet.

You don't know any of this first-hand, but you have full dossiers on the psychological profiles of all amateur dopers at your disposal. Well done, Dr. Freud.

If you believe that people take a needle and inject themselves with substances that are not prescribed by a doctor for reasons that don't involve unhealthy pathological needs, you're a fool.

A fool? Why? Because I don''t necessarily agree with your premise, one based on a groundless opinion and dared to challenge you on it?

Don't be so full of yourself. If you claim facts based on no data or clinical research whatsoever, it's called an opinion. Some are worthy of discussion, and others are just plain nonsensical. Like the poster who claimed blood transfusions can be done by individual riders in the privacy of their own home. Not one poster called him out on what has to be the most ridiculous and irresponsible statement I've yet to read on this forum.

Another doozy was when someone posted that clenbutarol should be followed up by copious amounts of coffee for added benefit before a race. Two drugs that raise heart rate levels should be taken together only to speed up the heart attack process, but no one batted an eye.

Now I know why Race Radio doesn't post anymore. He kept you guys on life support as one of the few posters with any type of inside knowledge, and now that he's gone you're left with nothing but the regurgitation of insinuendo as fact.

 

[Netserk]

You don't know, you just think you do. I'll bet you don't know one person who dopes. You don't know the pipeline for access, you don't know how much the stuff costs or how these cats administer their PED's asdie from what you've read on the internet.

You don't know any of this first-hand, but you have full dossiers on the psychological profiles of all amateur dopers at your disposal. Well done, Dr. Freud.




A fool? Why? Because I don''t necessarily agree with your premise, one based on a groundless opinion and dared to challenge you on it?

Don't be so full of yourself. If you claim facts based on no data or clinical research whatsoever, it's called an opinion. Some are worthy of discussion, and others are just plain nonsensical. Like the poster who claimed blood transfusions can be done by individual riders in the privacy of their own home. Not one poster called him out on what has to be the most ridiculous and irresponsible statement I've yet to read on this forum.

Another doozy was when someone posted that clenbutarol should be followed up by copious amounts of coffee for added benefit before a race. Two drugs that raise heart rate levels should be taken together only to speed up the heart attack process, but no one batted an eye.

Now I know why Race Radio doesn't post anymore. He kept you guys on life support as one of the few posters with any type of inside knowledge, and now that he's gone you're left with nothing but the regurgitation of insinuendo as fact.

The Chicken calls you a fool.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

You don't know, you just think you do. I'll bet you don't know one person who dopes. You don't know the pipeline for access, you don't know how much the stuff costs or how these cats administer their PED's asdie from what you've read on the internet.

You don't know what the f*&k you're talking about. I might not know one who is currently doing it, but I certainly know people who were doing it in the 90's, and I knew how they were getting it, and what kind of people they are.

You don't know any of this first-hand, but you have full dossiers on the psychological profiles of all amateur dopers at your disposal. Well done, Dr. Freud.

It doesn't take personal knowledge to discern that a person does not purposefully break the rules of competition they are obliged to abide by for healthy emotional reasons. It only takes someone as...um.......intellectually equal to you to surmise that.

A fool? Why? Because I don''t necessarily agree with your premise, one based on a groundless opinion and dared to challenge you on it?

No, you're a fool because you believe in the preposterous proposition that people dope in competitive sports for healthy emotional reasons.

Don't be so full of yourself. If you claim facts based on no data or clinical research whatsoever, it's called an opinion. Some are worthy of discussion, and others are just plain nonsensical. Like the poster who claimed blood transfusions can be done by individual riders in the privacy of their own home. Not one poster called him out on what has to be the most ridiculous and irresponsible statement I've yet to read on this forum.

....uh....okay

Another doozy was when someone posted that clenbutarol should be followed up by copious amounts of coffee for added benefit before a race. Two drugs that raise heart rate levels should be taken together only to speed up the heart attack process, but no one batted an eye.

....uh....okay x 2

Now I know why Race Radio doesn't post anymore. He kept you guys on life support as one of the few posters with any type of inside knowledge, and now that he's gone you're left with nothing but the regurgitation of insinuendo as fact.

....uh....okay x 3

I don't know why RR officially stopped posting...other than the reasons he related to me in private PM's...

 

[BroDeal]

I am glad the forum overlord has such faith in this place. It gives me a warm feeling to know that shoddy moderation had nothing to do with this place going down the crapper. Nope. It was someone claiming that blood transfusions can be one at home, not that someone like Armstrong would ever store blood at home or anything.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I am glad the forum overlord has such faith in this place. It gives me a warm feeling to know that shoddy moderation had nothing to do with this place going down the crapper. Nope. It was someone claiming that blood transfusions can be one at home, not that someone like Armstrong would ever store blood at home or anything.

So is there anyone left here ? or any real discussion about anything??
oh..wait…isn't there a thread that was started...

 

[spetsa]

So is there anyone left here ? or any real discussion about anything??
oh..wait…isn't there a thread that was started...

The best way to for this forum to increase relevant usage would be bringing back the "this forum blows" thread.

 

[mewmewmew13]

The best way to for this forum to increase relevant usage would be bringing back the "this forum blows" thread.

yes, agree totally

..and Contador's Head

 

[Kicker661]

You don't know, you just think you do. I'll bet you don't know one person who dopes. You don't know the pipeline for access, you don't know how much the stuff costs or how these cats administer their PED's asdie from what you've read on the internet.

A fool? Why? Because I don''t necessarily agree with your premise, one based on a groundless opinion and dared to challenge you on it?

Another doozy was when someone posted that clenbutarol should be followed up by copious amounts of coffee for added benefit before a race. Two drugs that raise heart rate levels should be taken together only to speed up the heart attack process, but no one batted an eye.

I enjoy reading this section but one thing the clinic posters fail with is exactly what you said in that first paragraph.

If you haven't been around dopers in general sports or more specifically dopers in cycling then you will most likely be WAY off base with what you think goes down in real life.

I can add some insight but i don't post because someone who has no idea and no experience at all will want to argue with what is really going on.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I enjoy reading this section but one thing the clinic posters fail with is exactly what you said in that first paragraph.

If you haven't been around dopers in general sports or more specifically dopers in cycling then you will most likely be WAY off base with what you think goes down in real life.

I can add some insight but i don't post because someone who has no idea and no experience at all will want to argue with what is really going on.

No, please, delineate how one dopes in competitive sports as a healthy emotional response to the reality of competition. Really, I want to hear it. I've known dopers, but they were just Cat 2's and 1's...but someone such as yourself, who has the inside on pro-doping, can surely enlighten us...

Oh wait, you can be anyone you want on the intertubes. Why not be Stuart O'Grady and explain how you're a by the book, good sport, and only did it that one time in a supreme moment of weakness...cause I have a lot more things I'd like to say to O'Grady personally...or maybe be The Chicken...because I kind of like that guy now, and we could be friends and have a bbq and invite the family and sh!t...

 

[Franklin]

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

Now I wouldn't disagree the guy is a cheat and has issues, but if he and the junior are in the same race it's fine in my opinion that he tries to crush him. It's racing! The junior rides the same race, so why have pity on him?

In our club crit we often have juniors competing who love to crush us greybeards in the sprint, with a healthy dosis of gloating. You can be sure that if we are in a break we treat them just as competitors, not of cute little babies who need to be cuddled.

If at our chess club we face a team with youngsters we don't start to go weak in the knees and grant them victory either.

Heck, if I were the junior I sure as hell would be annoyed if David would wave me forward. I bet he rather be treated as an adult.

 

[cymbop]

The boy, by the way, is doing fine. He went on to win the junior national criterium championship three years after this photo was taken, and is riding professionally for the Hincapie Development squad.

 

[DirtyWorks]

....Hincapie Development squad.

Apparently no one is concerned about the kid being associated with "Hincapie Development?" It's like a collective amnesia sets in.


Here's the link to his affidavit so there is no excuse to remain willfully ignorant: http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Hincapie,+George+Affidavit.pdf

And if you refuse to read it, here is just one quote. "In 1992 I competed in my first Olympics. My coach on the team was Chris Carmichael. While on the 1992 Olympic team I received what I understood to be vitamin B-12 injections from Angus Fraiser."

Doping doper running a development squad. Again, the crux of the problem isn't the Masters doper, it's the federation.