Catwhoorg said:Maybe there were only 30 riders ...
It still wouldn't be slow...
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Catwhoorg said:Maybe there were only 30 riders ...
nslckevin said:What race? What field?
Catwhoorg said:This seems like a good place to comment on this study about over prescribing of testosterone in middle aged men.
If the UK is considered to be over prescribing testosterone patches, gels etc, what does this graphic say about the US ? (beyond advertising sells)
jw1979 said:It says that while the majority of people in the US don't think other people should use drugs, most are OK doing drugs themselves.
It also says that people want to feel young and if you can slap a youthpatch on with a doctors script, they'll do it.
jw1979 said:It says that while the majority of people in the US don't think other people should use drugs, most are OK doing drugs themselves.
It also says that people want to feel young and if you can slap a youthpatch on with a doctors script, they'll do it.
Potomac said:10% (100/1000) is a majority?
zigmeister said:Indeed, ignorance is bliss. Especially when under the guise of, "oh, I have allergies, must take drugs to breathe."
Provigil / modafinil. Sounds like something that would be hidden in your typical "Jacked" supplement as a mystery ingredient. Take enough caffeine, you will get the same effect to an extent. Should ban caffeine as well while WADA is at it.
"The following substances included in the 2014 Monitoring Program (bupropion, caffeine, nicotine, phenylephrine, phenylpropanolamine, pipradrol, synephrine) are not considered as Prohibited Substances.
** Cathine is prohibited when its concentration in urine is greater than 5 micrograms per milliliter.
*** Each of ephedrine and methylephedrine is prohibited when its concentration in urine is greater than 10 micrograms per milliliter.
**** Local administration (e.g. nasal, ophthalmologic) of epinephrine (adrenaline) or co-administration with local anaesthetic agents is not prohibited."
Oh look, ephedrine is OK to actually take!
eporesis said:US Cycling Athlete, Robertson, Accepts Sanction For Anti-Doping Rule Violation
Provigil / modafinil
TrackCynic said:Agreed - it certainly is sad.
What is also sad (for me as a fan of cycling) is that local competitive cycling here in the US is so dominated by masters. I know cycling is the new golf here and that for prime-age athletes (18-30) cycling is a tiny niche, but I do wish there was less emphasis on masters. For sure, I would like to see an end to masters "teams" - this just encourages wannabe pro behavior - I never understand why these teams exist - why don't they ride for their local clubs?
In the twilight of our years we should be riding with smiles on our faces, a high degree of camaraderie and, in a style that sets a great example to the youngsters.
TrackCynic said:Agreed - it certainly is sad.
What is also sad (for me as a fan of cycling) is that local competitive cycling here in the US is so dominated by masters. I know cycling is the new golf here and that for prime-age athletes (18-30) cycling is a tiny niche, but I do wish there was less emphasis on masters. For sure, I would like to see an end to masters "teams" - this just encourages wannabe pro behavior - I never understand why these teams exist - why don't they ride for their local clubs?
In the twilight of our years we should be riding with smiles on our faces, a high degree of camaraderie and, in a style that sets a great example to the youngsters.
RobbieCanuck said:Cycling's popularity as the "new golf" in North America in large part is due to the faux "successes" of the now infamous dopers who were on the pro tour from about 1990 to the present. The list is long and tawdry and need not reproduce it here.
The effect of these "successes" non the less kick-started the present boom in cycling. Unfortunately the dopers exhibited a certain swagger, egomania and truculence many men associate with athletic prowess ( I wonder who the model for that could be?) The result is many masters wannabes have a notion of winning on a par with the culture of doping in the peloton. Hence the resort to PEDs. What has occurred is the creation of the same culture at another demographic level.
This culture is a sad indictment of the lack of class in those who chose to cheat. In my experience in athletics after ones core competitive days are over the beauty of continuing to participate in sport is best exemplified by the camaraderie (as Track Cynic points out). That does not mean the competitive aspect of sport is gone, far from it, but the obsessed really need to either chill out or get out.
RobbieCanuck said:Cycling's popularity as the "new golf" in North America in large part is due to the faux "successes" of the now infamous dopers who were on the pro tour from about 1990 to the present.
Alex Simmons/RST said:Is it really that, or just the weight of demographics? e.g. baby boomer generation
RobbieCanuck said:I am the leading edge of the Baby Boom, born in 1947. I enjoyed cycling from a distance until Greg LeMond won his TDF titles. Me and a lot of then 40 year olds got psyched and I bought my first road bike in 1987. But the bump in popularity in North American due to LeMond was modest.
It was the exploits of Armstrong, Hincapie, Hamilton, Andreu, Leipheimer, Vaughters, Landis, Danielson, Van de Velde, Zabriski and Livingston etal that inspired the cycling boom in North America. It was no longer only a European sport at the top, and bikes were flying off the shelves.
It was these guys, dopers all, who infused the boom, not only for Boomers but everyone. It was their celebrity that expedited the excitement. And in addition it was way cheaper than golf memberships, green fees or golf clubs.
However, these cheats also represent a crushing disappointment, a disastrous legacy and a pronounced betrayal, to we the gullible. There is no N.A. cyclist today who inspires cycling. It remains to be seen how that will affect it's popularity in North America.
veganrob said:Just to address the last bit. An athlete is allowed a TE ratio of 4-1. That is 4x the level of a normal healthy male. That seems like it should be enough. If you want to go around with 10x the level, you can, nobody is stopping you nor is it illegal. Just can't race.
Marijuana same thing. You just can't race on it.
MarkvW said:Marijuana would be a PDD (Performance Detracting Drug), wouldn't it? Why ban it?