Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[usedtobefast]

Another one, and a local guy to boot.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/10/news/another-u-s-masters-rider-pinned-for-doping_195784

too bad,it has been rampant here for a long time. they are just scratching the
surface really.

 

[Oldman]

too bad,it has been rampant here for a long time. they are just scratching the
surface really.

About time although I didn't notice much testing in Bend. There could be more positives based on some of the performances there.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

About time although I didn't notice much testing in Bend. There could be more positives based on some of the performances there.

Can't say I recall USADA being there, or a dope test notification being put up for random controls.

 

[Bertie]

I think they tested every winner in Bend

 

[nslckevin]

I think they tested every winner in Bend

They tested all the winners in the TT and the Road race. At least the last day's road races on Sunday. I'm not sure about Saturday's road races.

 

[nslckevin]

About time although I didn't notice much testing in Bend. There could be more positives based on some of the performances there.

This is the kind of **** that I hate. People did really good, therefore they must be doping. What a load of crap. Do you know ANYTHING about the guys or gals who did "really well"??? Do you know how much they train? Do you know how hard they trained? Did he or she sandbag in age group races all year or race P/1/2 a lot to make themselves stronger?

Are their masters racers who dope? I'm sure there are. But the fact that they might have beat you is not definitive proof of doping.

 

[slowoldman]

shocking......not really. usedtobefast has hit the nail on the head. I think there will be a lot more to come unfortunately. So Cal the land of sunshine and pharmaceuticals......

 

[Oldman]

This is the kind of **** that I hate. People did really good, therefore they must be doping. What a load of crap. Do you know ANYTHING about the guys or gals who did "really well"??? Do you know how much they train? Do you know how hard they trained? Did he or she sandbag in age group races all year or race P/1/2 a lot to make themselves stronger?

Are their masters racers who dope? I'm sure there are. But the fact that they might have beat you is not definitive proof of doping.

You ask a question that's been answered, hence the thread.
Actually I wouldn't be talking about any of the guys I raced against; they all performed as expected and did really well. Most have performed on those levels for years.
There are notoriously "peaky" riders in some catagories and guess what? The guy busted was among them. Yes, yes folks know about some of the people that have done "really well" because they race against them all season. It's a small community when you get to Master Natz and information is shared. It's gossip, of course; but not without foundation.

 

[spetsa]

This is the kind of **** that I hate. People did really good, therefore they must be doping. What a load of crap. Do you know ANYTHING about the guys or gals who did "really well"??? Do you know how much they train? Do you know how hard they trained? Did he or she sandbag in age group races all year or race P/1/2 a lot to make themselves stronger?

Are their masters racers who dope? I'm sure there are. But the fact that they might have beat you is not definitive proof of doping.

Yeah I do. One was named Nicholas Brandt-Sorenson and he got busted for PEDs. Seemed to have gotten a bit quicker this past season than those previous. Believe me, it is a hell of a lot harder to win the 30-34 RR at Masters Nats than to finish Redlands in last place.
http://www.usacycling.org/results/?compid=223572

 

[nslckevin]

Yeah I do. One was named Nicholas Brandt-Sorenson and he got busted for PEDs. Seemed to have gotten a bit quicker this past season than those previous. Believe me, it is a hell of a lot harder to win the 30-34 RR at Masters Nats than to finish Redlands in last place.
http://www.usacycling.org/results/?compid=223572

I am certainly not going to defend this guy, but you are going to pull out results from the spring of 2008 to prove he's doping in 2011? Seriously?

 

[spetsa]

I am certainly not going to defend this guy, but you are going to pull out results from the spring of 2008 to prove he's doping in 2011? Seriously?

No, his failed drug test in Bend was the proof that he was doping in 2011.

 

[nslckevin]

No, his failed drug test in Bend was the proof that he was doping in 2011.

You are right of course. He failed a test and when the B sample is tested to confirm, then that pretty much settles it.

I was just trying to figure out how somebody's results from the spring of 2008 have any bearing on his capabilities or PED use in the summer of 2011. Was he a new rider, just upgraded to Cat 2? Was he sick? Working too much? In finals at school? Was he fat and out of shape? You can use paterns of results to tell something about a rider, but one race, three years ago? That is a stretch.

 

[nslckevin]

About time although I didn't notice much testing in Bend. There could be more positives based on some of the performances there.

Would you care to call out those performances? Or at least which races you are refering to? Or are you just going to sit behind your screen name and throw out baseless accusations?

Kevin Metcalfe
2011 National TT and RR champion in 50-54

 

[spetsa]

Would you care to call out those performances? Or at least which races you are refering to? Or are you just going to sit behind your screen name and throw out baseless accusations?

Kevin Metcalfe
2011 National TT and RR champion in 50-54

Seriously! Amgen Masters, Team Specialized Masters?
You sound as though you take this doping thing pretty close to heart. Does the number 187 send shivers up the spine.

As your yellow banded bretheren used to like to say, "we like our credibility".

 

[ICanTearYourLegsOff]

Seriously! Amgen Masters, Team Specialized Masters?
You sound as though you take this doping thing pretty close to heart. Does the number 187 send shivers up the spine.

As your yellow banded bretheren used to like to say, "we like our credibility".

Amgen Masters? You're probably thinking AMD-Discovery Channel Masters. I don't think Kev was ever on Amgen.

 

[spetsa]

Amgen Masters? You're probably thinking AMD-Discovery Channel Masters. I don't think Kev was ever on Amgen.

You are correct. I was mistaken. Doesn't change my thoughts much however.

 

[spetsa]

You are correct. I was mistaken. Doesn't change my thoughts much however.

In fact, it makes them 50% worse or equal to what they were initially. However you want to look it.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Would you care to call out those performances? Or at least which races you are refering to? Or are you just going to sit behind your screen name and throw out baseless accusations?

Kevin Metcalfe
2011 National TT and RR champion in 50-54

Hi Kevin
Nice riding in Bend. Your crit race was a cracker to watch too.
Cheers
Alex

 

[DirtyWorks]

I am certainly not going to defend this guy, but you are going to pull out results from the spring of 2008 to prove he's doping in 2011? Seriously?

You refuse to acknowledge the simple observation that dopers are notoriously peaky. Spectacular results at important events, then... right back into the local pack fodder. Clean riders tend to have very consistent results over time.

 

[nslckevin]

Seriously! Amgen Masters, Team Specialized Masters?
You sound as though you take this doping thing pretty close to heart. Does the number 187 send shivers up the spine.

As your yellow banded bretheren used to like to say, "we like our credibility".

Amgen Masters? Why do you mention that? I have never raced for that team. The only association I have with that team is getting my *** kicked by Thurlow at nationals most years.

Team Specialized Masters. Yes, you got me. I do ride for Team Specialized Masters. Care to fill in the details as to why you brought that up?

I had to google 187. Good one. Hate to break it to you, but you won't find me on the Papp list.

Here's the deal. I took offense to Oldman (or whoever it was) insinuating that many who performed well at masters nationals were on dope and just hadn’t been caught yet. I performed well at nationals so I took offense to his slander. I was in fact, tested twice but have not received the results yet. I worked my *** off this year and I raced below my age all year long. After doing a few P/1/2 road races, racing against a bunch of 50 year olds doesn’t seem so hard.

Now I’m taking offense to your anonymous slander. What reason do you have to call me a doper? And why don’t you grow a pair and put your real name behind your allegations.

Kevin Metcalfe

 

[nslckevin]

You refuse to acknowledge the simple observation that dopers are notoriously peaky. Spectacular results at important events, then... right back into the local pack fodder. Clean riders tend to have very consistent results over time.

I don't disagree with your statement. But if you look at his results, they are fairly consistant in 2011.

I'm not defending him, or saying he didn't dope. But his positive test at Bend in 2011 is evidence of his doping. His results from one race three years ago is a huge stretch at best.

Kevin Metcalfe

 

[spetsa]

Amgen Masters? Why do you mention that? I have never raced for that team. The only association I have with that team is getting my *** kicked by Thurlow at nationals most years.

Team Specialized Masters. Yes, you got me. I do ride for Team Specialized Masters. Care to fill in the details as to why you brought that up?

I had to google 187. Good one. Hate to break it to you, but you won't find me on the Papp list.

Here's the deal. I took offense to Oldman (or whoever it was) insinuating that many who performed well at masters nationals were on dope and just hadn’t been caught yet. I performed well at nationals so I took offense to his slander. I was in fact, tested twice but have not received the results yet. I worked my *** off this year and I raced below my age all year long. After doing a few P/1/2 road races, racing against a bunch of 50 year olds doesn’t seem so hard.

Now I’m taking offense to your anonymous slander. What reason do you have to call me a doper? And why don’t you grow a pair and put your real name behind your allegations.

Kevin Metcalfe

I never called you a doper. Nobody ever slandered you. You sound paranoid though. For your sake, I hope you did work your but off and that you have a great time racing your bike with obvious success. It probably makes you feel pretty good actually knowing that you most likely beat some guys on PEDs. I would however bet that you also know guys who dope whether you want to believe it or not.

 

[Bertie]

I suspect the problem is a lot smaller than people speculate in Masters.

 

[nslckevin]

I never called you a doper. Nobody ever slandered you. You sound paranoid though. For your sake, I hope you did work your but off and that you have a great time racing your bike with obvious success. It probably makes you feel pretty good actually knowing that you most likely beat some guys on PEDs. I would however bet that you also know guys who dope whether you want to believe it or not.

"You sound as though you take this doping thing pretty close to heart. Does the number 187 send shivers up the spine."

Not directly, but you danced all around it. Your intent was clear.

Re: racing against others on PEDs. I'm sure I do, but frankly it's not something I spend any time thinking about. THey do or they don't. They'll beat me or they won't. Hopefully the ones who do cheat will get caught, but getting my panties all in a bunch about it is a waste of my time.

Kevin Metcalfe

 

[Berzin]

...but getting my panties all in a bunch about it is a waste of my time.

You say this, then you say THIS-

Now I’m taking offense to your anonymous slander. What reason do you have to call me a doper? And why don’t you grow a pair and put your real name behind your allegations.

Translation-I won't bother to take offense, but I'll take offense.

Master's Racers are ripe for speculation. The improbable physiques, the ever-increasing speeds at an age where in any other sport you'd be put out to pasture, the testing procedures...It doesn't take much to connect the dots on this one.

Doping controls in US cycling is an absolute joke. Even in top-tier North American races testing is haphazard at best. This year there was none at a couple of races that were so big even the Euros came to compete.

So dude, please. Some of us aren't as ignorant as you'd like us to be.

Masters' Racing in the US is marinating in PED's. Apparently the only ones that want to argue this fact are those who are upset that their haccomplishments (usually a product of good nutrition and hard training made possible by 'roids) is being discredited. Too bad. Deal with it.