Tom Danielson

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pastronef said:
a question: if he gets banned, he cannot have training camps and coaching job? even if he trains and coaches mamils who dont race?
Of course he can continue his training camps, and coach others on how not to make the same mistake he did.

I'm not sure how many pro's will use his coaching but the mamils will be more than enough to keep him busy.

His ban only prevents him from racing in cycling and other Olympic movement events.
 
pastronef said:
a question: if he gets banned, he cannot have training camps and coaching job? even if he trains and coaches mamils who dont race?


Yes, didn't USAC make that announcement that in the US, they can't be part of any official cycling teams, training, coaching etc? Thought an "official" made that statement awhile back.

Silly how this has gone completely nowhere. Tom must know that he is guilty and there is no way to explain his adverse finding. So just drag it out, then hopefully people will forget about it...out of sight, out of mind.
 
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Benotti69 said:
According to the Denver Post last 11/06/2015 Tom Danielson B sample also tested positive for anabolic agent, USADA says

http://www.denverpost.com/cycling/ci_29083843/tom-danielson-b-sample-also-tested-positive-anabolic

and yet no ban.....go figure!

JV's silence, for a man who has supposedly dedicated his life to anti-doping, is deafening.

Why did the rest of the media not pick up on this?

Omertà is strong.
US media have practically ignored at least a decade of state-sponsored, publicly announced, junior doping.
I'm not surprised they ignore Danielson's case.

The phenomenon of JV's clean cycling talk, and the media uncritically buying it, goes back to the late 70s/early 80s, when USOC was doping juniors under the guise of 'internal testing' and, together with sponsor 7-eleven and the USCF, suddenly had to whitewash the 1984 scandal.
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The concern is not so much the Danielson case, it’s the fact that they just won’t talk about it which gives rise that there is doping going on at Cannondale and it s being swept under the carpet. Very similar to David Miller’s HGH use when he rode and had ownership in the team.
 
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Tommy D is now "coaching" motocross racer Justin Barcia, who happens to be very involved in cycling. Barcia also has pictures on instagram hanging out with other dopers George and CVV
 
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thehog said:
sniper said:
Benotti69 said:
According to the Denver Post last 11/06/2015 Tom Danielson B sample also tested positive for anabolic agent, USADA says

http://www.denverpost.com/cycling/ci_29083843/tom-danielson-b-sample-also-tested-positive-anabolic

and yet no ban.....go figure!

JV's silence, for a man who has supposedly dedicated his life to anti-doping, is deafening.

Why did the rest of the media not pick up on this?

Omertà is strong.
US media have practically ignored at least a decade of state-sponsored, publicly announced, junior doping.
I'm not surprised they ignore Danielson's case.

The phenomenon of JV's clean cycling talk, and the media uncritically buying it, goes back to the late 70s/early 80s, when USOC was doping juniors under the guise of 'internal testing' and, together with sponsor 7-eleven and the USCF, suddenly had to whitewash the 1984 scandal.
:cool:


The concern is not so much the Danielson case, it’s the fact that they just won’t talk about it which gives rise that there is doping going on at Cannondale and it s being swept under the carpet. Very similar to David Miller’s HGH use when he rode and had ownership in the team.

Like JV's WT teams ever rode on bread and water....yeah sure! All those dopers and suddenly they stop even though they know all the other teams are going full whack on PEDs....yep they really bought into the clean ideal. Heck even Kimmage got hoodwinked by JV!
 
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unamused said:
Tommy D is now "coaching" motocross racer Justin Barcia, who happens to be very involved in cycling. Barcia also has pictures on instagram hanging out with other dopers George and CVV
Not surprising, a doping positive isn't much of a scarlet letter when you're a cyclist unless you're name is Lance. :rolleyes:
 
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Irondan said:
unamused said:
Tommy D is now "coaching" motocross racer Justin Barcia, who happens to be very involved in cycling. Barcia also has pictures on instagram hanging out with other dopers George and CVV
Not surprising, a doping positive isn't much of a scarlet letter when you're a cyclist unless you're name is Lance. :rolleyes:

You're comparing apples and oranges.
But to the point of quiet...it's very, very likely that Tommy D has way too much backstory to discuss and his life is easier in exile. Going away quietly is the opposite of what Lance, DiLuca and others have done.
 
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If JV and Tygart are as antidoping as they say they are, imo they should give full disclosure of Danielson's case, if only to deter other riders from PED abuse.
 
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Oldermanish said:
Irondan said:
unamused said:
Tommy D is now "coaching" motocross racer Justin Barcia, who happens to be very involved in cycling. Barcia also has pictures on instagram hanging out with other dopers George and CVV
Not surprising, a doping positive isn't much of a scarlet letter when you're a cyclist unless you're name is Lance. :rolleyes:

You're comparing apples and oranges.
But to the point of quiet...it's very, very likely that Tommy D has way too much backstory to discuss and his life is easier in exile. Going away quietly is the opposite of what Lance, DiLuca and others have done.

Lance, Di Luca and others were sanctioned with bans. Tommy D??????? Zero!
 
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Benotti69 said:
Oldermanish said:
Irondan said:
unamused said:
Tommy D is now "coaching" motocross racer Justin Barcia, who happens to be very involved in cycling. Barcia also has pictures on instagram hanging out with other dopers George and CVV
Not surprising, a doping positive isn't much of a scarlet letter when you're a cyclist unless you're name is Lance. :rolleyes:

You're comparing apples and oranges.
But to the point of quiet...it's very, very likely that Tommy D has way too much backstory to discuss and his life is easier in exile. Going away quietly is the opposite of what Lance, DiLuca and others have done.

Lance, Di Luca and others were sanctioned with bans. Tommy D??????? Zero!

Its coming, perhaps the USA Cycling was able to make a deal and delay the announcement until after the ToC or even after the season is over.
 
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Jancouver said:
Benotti69 said:
Oldermanish said:
Irondan said:
unamused said:
Tommy D is now "coaching" motocross racer Justin Barcia, who happens to be very involved in cycling. Barcia also has pictures on instagram hanging out with other dopers George and CVV
Not surprising, a doping positive isn't much of a scarlet letter when you're a cyclist unless you're name is Lance. :rolleyes:

You're comparing apples and oranges.
But to the point of quiet...it's very, very likely that Tommy D has way too much backstory to discuss and his life is easier in exile. Going away quietly is the opposite of what Lance, DiLuca and others have done.

Lance, Di Luca and others were sanctioned with bans. Tommy D??????? Zero!

Its coming, perhaps the USA Cycling was able to make a deal and delay the announcement until after the ToC or even after the season is over.
Yeah well maybe.

Or maybe he had some info to drop on someone else. That way he can just get a suspension of time off. Something nice and easy to cushion his ride back into the portaJohn for all those Irritable Bowl issues he has had his entire career.
 
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/resolution-postponed-until-fall-in-danielson-doping-case/?utm_content=buffere96a4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


He's done racing regardless. Just accept your punishment, Tom.

I actually have some respect for guys who fight their sanctions. I don't know why but it feels kind of 2010 to me.
 
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Bolder said:
Enrico Gimondi said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/resolution-postponed-until-fall-in-danielson-doping-case/?utm_content=buffere96a4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


He's done racing regardless. Just accept your punishment, Tom.

I actually have some respect for guys who fight their sanctions. I don't know why but it feels kind of 2010 to me.
Same here. They're entertainers and arbitration is an avenue of entertainment. It's expensive up front but consider it an investment, especially if the athlete plans on staying in the sport. If he or she loses in arbitration, then hey, they got screwed. In a couple of years no one cares or even remembers and so the athlete owns the narrative.

Two great examples come to mind: Zirbel and Moninger.
 
Vaughters has created a monster.. His own doing....



With today’s announcement from USADA on the postponement of my arbitration hearing, I feel like now is a good time to update you with where I am with my case.
Before I give you my current status, I would like to state I am firmly against any and all doping in sport. I wrongly went down that path many years ago, using bad judgment on my part. I paid dearly for it both physically and mentally which led me to stop this behavior and take a strong stance against it.

I joined Slipstream Sports in 2008, an organization created on the backbone of clean sport, as one of their first members with the motive of creating a team to fight against doping. Since the team’s creation, I have actively promoted and participated in ethical and clean sport.

I have also openly spoken about my past mistakes to assist WADA, USADA, and the sport of cycling in learning from the past to help make a cleaner present.

Since 2008 I have cooperated with all anti-doping authorities, have not taken any banned substances, and have not missed a single anti-doping test. I have also done what I thought was my due diligence in researching the supplements I take to make sure they are free from all banned substances.

Expert analysis of my Carbon Isotope Ratio test shows that my positive test is consistent with ingestion of DHEA, consistent with supplement contamination, and is classified as “unintentional ingestion” (an amount so small it would be nearly impossible to intentionally ingest and clearly would have no benefit as well).

The expert analysis of my test result also shows that small amount of this banned substance in my system was early in the metabolism process. The sample I gave on July 9th was at 7pm, shortly after I finished dinner and had taken my dietary supplement (as I took with meals for better absorption and digestion). This timing is consistent with the test result findings.

After thoroughly investigating all possible avenues and countless tests, we have identified the likely cause of my positive test as a dietary supplement I have taken for many years without issue. I take full responsibility for ingesting this supplement as the WADA rules are very clear — every athlete is responsible for what goes in his or her body. I prefer to keep the supplement name and manufacturer private during this time.

Before I present the evidence and facts of my case to USADA, I am asking for additional time to conduct further investigation into this supplement, as there are still some questions that need to be answered. The biggest question: Did this company intentionally put the banned substance in the supplement to make it work better, or was it simply contamination? Right now there is evidence that points to both possibilities.

While I am taking full responsibility for this supplement going into my body, finding the full answer is important to me. I want others to be able to learn from this mishap to avoid it happening to them in the future. WADA rules very are clear, I was responsible for what went into my body, no matter what.

I wish now I had done this much research into my supplements before taking them, not just because of this test result, and the damage it’s done to my career and my reputation, but also because of the potential damage I may have done to my body by ingesting this substance. With the additional information I hope to obtain over the next months, I hope to be able to share with others, to accurately educate them on the dangers of supplement use.
 
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The poor sod.
First Lance forces him to dope.
Now he falls victim to a company putting synthetic test into their supplements to make it work better.
Tough break.
 
"While I am taking full responsibility for this supplement going into my body, finding the full answer is important to me. I want others to be able to learn from this mishap to avoid it happening to them in the future. WADA rules very are clear, I was responsible for what went into my body, no matter what.

I wish now I had done this much research into my supplements before taking them, not just because of this test result, and the damage it’s done to my career and my reputation, but also because of the potential damage I may have done to my body by ingesting this substance. With the additional information I hope to obtain over the next months, I hope to be able to share with others, to accurately educate them on the dangers of supplement use."

Sounds to me like he knows he's copping a suspension but looking for the best way to protect his image so he will continue to get clients to his training camps. Wasn't the team sponsored by a company that tested supplements?
 
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Curious thing is - how was he able to eat breakfast and then make it out to the portajon to take that supplement laced with DHEA and horny goat weed.
 
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StryderHells said:
"While I am taking full responsibility for this supplement going into my body, finding the full answer is important to me. I want others to be able to learn from this mishap to avoid it happening to them in the future. WADA rules very are clear, I was responsible for what went into my body, no matter what.

I wish now I had done this much research into my supplements before taking them, not just because of this test result, and the damage it’s done to my career and my reputation, but also because of the potential damage I may have done to my body by ingesting this substance. With the additional information I hope to obtain over the next months, I hope to be able to share with others, to accurately educate them on the dangers of supplement use."

Sounds to me like he knows he's copping a suspension but looking for the best way to protect his image so he will continue to get clients to his training camps. Wasn't the team sponsored by a company that tested supplements?

Whatever happened to the internal team testing that JV claimed he spent half a million dollars on every year...... :rolleyes:
 
Shows this guys mentality. Why on Earth would you ingest any type of supplement, even a multi vitamin, knowing his EPO admission and turning on Lance to save himself????

Just open yourself up to this type of thing and then you are done.

Avoid it entirely...but NOoooo. He goes and takes "supplements" for some stupid reason just asking for problems....which he found.

He was done anyway.
 
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zigmeister said:
Shows this guys mentality. Why on Earth would you ingest any type of supplement, even a multi vitamin, knowing his EPO admission and turning on Lance to save himself????

Just open yourself up to this type of thing and then you are done.

Avoid it entirely...but NOoooo. He goes and takes "supplements" for some stupid reason just asking for problems....which he found.

He was done anyway.

I thought Garmin/slippysteam had a sponsorship deal with a supplements company...... :rolleyes:

Amazing how JV has gone into hiding on it. A life dedicated to anti-doping..yadayadayada :mad: