Tom Danielson

[More Strides than Rides]

Why do some B samples take much longer than others ?

Technically, the B-Sample shouldn't. The post-sample stuff could...

I looked it up in the past, but the general timeline is pretty structured. As for B-Samples, after the athlete is notified, they have a 7-day window to either: accept ADRV, choose to have it tested, or choose have it tested with themselves or a representative as witness. To be clear, unless the athlete makes a choice and follows through, it defaults to acceptance of the ADRV; for example, saying on the 9th day that they want to witness a test but need 4 days to fly to the lab would default to ADRV (I'm 90% sure).

I think it is safe to assume it has been tested. If it hasn't been tested, TD has either opted to accept and ADRV (unlikely), or the lab was supposed to test it and hasn't. I doubt and hope that is not the case.

So, assuming the result is in, the result and possible sanction is confidentially given to the athlete. When I looked it up, I could only find UKAD and WADA procedures. I assume USADA is similar, but let's pretend that for now, it's the same:
The athlete then has a few days to request a hearing. An expedited hearing must occur within 14 days, a regular hearing presumably more. All NADO's must wait at least 20 days after this hearing to release result publicly.

Matt Cooke has said Danielson's lawyers are arguing about presence or not of something in certain somethings. If we are in the hearing phase, we need to wait until the end of the hearing, and then 20 days before learning about a positive result. USADA is not obligated to announce a negative. (But I bet Danielson would make a negative known right away)

Some links to the process from a post in the Ulissi thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=22505&p=1500447&hilit=test#p1500447

 

[arthurvandelay]

Re: Re:

You reckon he's gonna walk from this?

He reckons he is.

What was it Lance said (using the royal "we") ?

"We like our credibility."

Now that is some arrogance right there ! TD can't come close to that....

 

[john_d]

Thanks MStR seems like the longest B sample result I can remember. Now I have an idea why.

 

[zigmeister]

Re: Re:

However If making personal comments about his ability to bed younger,legal aged consenting woman is meant to compound the disdain i have to tell you its having the opposite effect on me personally. I am even starting to like him a bit. JV is trying to race a clean team(putting aside the endless conspiracies), maybe another rider he is not an adjoined twin with,will test positive?? Possible No?Could anyone on this thread run a cycling team and guarantee never a positive?

The big issue that a lot of people here are in-delicately insinuating is that JV asked for a lot of trust. He asks sponsors and to fans trust that he is running a clean team. He claims that he trusts his riders.

Now who in the world would trust TD? His wife(wives) can't. His competitors don't. His teammates don't. NOBODY TRUSTS TD...about anything!!!! Except JV.

JV put his reputation on the line for TD and it completely and totally blew up in his face. Just like everyone said it would.

Sorry, correction, JV sold slipstream on being clean, because he had an internal testings system costing half a million a year to make sure his riders were clean. JV lied. JV has lied a lot.

JV has no reputation. No one in cycling has a reputation. JV like Armstrong has shown nothing but complete disdain for fans.

You know how often your posts come off as completely absurd?

Just because they have a testing program, should it be so ridiculously costly to the point that they are taking samples before and after every race/stage of every team member? The costs of testing is around $500-700/per sample using a WADA certified lab and process. So, it would cost them $10K+ for each stage of a race just to test their guys. Heck, even if they only testing after or before the stage, it would run them nearly $5-6K per stage/race???

Yeah...all teams, including Garmin would be broke in no time trying to support that theory. Unless you have a massive amount funds of hundreds in the hundreds of millions you are willing to put up, like universities and an endowment, to take care of testing every single rider every day of their careers to ensure they don't dope.

Guys are allowed to leave/go home, train on their own. It is expected. They don't live on a bus under the noses and surveillance of cameras, managers etc 24/7/365. It is absolutely impossible with manpower and money in the sport to be able to perform what it would really take to ensure 100% cleanliness.

So to continually make this assertion that it is completely possible for a team to have a method in place to catch any and all doping activities of their riders is absurdity at its best as it relates to JV/Garmin.

I guess since you think that is possible though, how about another reality check and deal with stuff on this planet that is really important. Why don't we deal with real social issues and resolve those, since it is so simple in your mind. Homelessness, drunken driving and any and all crime for that matter? That list goes on and on of things that are more important on the planet, than JV/Lance and some guys that dope.

Get a grip.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

However If making personal comments about his ability to bed younger,legal aged consenting woman is meant to compound the disdain i have to tell you its having the opposite effect on me personally. I am even starting to like him a bit. JV is trying to race a clean team(putting aside the endless conspiracies), maybe another rider he is not an adjoined twin with,will test positive?? Possible No?Could anyone on this thread run a cycling team and guarantee never a positive?

The big issue that a lot of people here are in-delicately insinuating is that JV asked for a lot of trust. He asks sponsors and to fans trust that he is running a clean team. He claims that he trusts his riders.

Now who in the world would trust TD? His wife(wives) can't. His competitors don't. His teammates don't. NOBODY TRUSTS TD...about anything!!!! Except JV.

JV put his reputation on the line for TD and it completely and totally blew up in his face. Just like everyone said it would.

Sorry, correction, JV sold slipstream on being clean, because he had an internal testings system costing half a million a year to make sure his riders were clean. JV lied. JV has lied a lot.

JV has no reputation. No one in cycling has a reputation. JV like Armstrong has shown nothing but complete disdain for fans.

You know how often your posts come off as completely absurd?

Just because they have a testing program, should it be so ridiculously costly to the point that they are taking samples before and after every race/stage of every team member? The costs of testing is around $500-700/per sample using a WADA certified lab and process. So, it would cost them $10K+ for each stage of a race just to test their guys. Heck, even if they only testing after or before the stage, it would run them nearly $5-6K per stage/race???

Yeah...all teams, including Garmin would be broke in no time trying to support that theory. Unless you have a massive amount funds of hundreds in the hundreds of millions you are willing to put up, like universities and an endowment, to take care of testing every single rider every day of their careers to ensure they don't dope.

Guys are allowed to leave/go home, train on their own. It is expected. They don't live on a bus under the noses and surveillance of cameras, managers etc 24/7/365. It is absolutely impossible with manpower and money in the sport to be able to perform what it would really take to ensure 100% cleanliness.

So to continually make this assertion that it is completely possible for a team to have a method in place to catch any and all doping activities of their riders is absurdity at its best as it relates to JV/Garmin.

I guess since you think that is possible though, how about another reality check and deal with stuff on this planet that is really important. Why don't we deal with real social issues and resolve those, since it is so simple in your mind. Homelessness, drunken driving and any and all crime for that matter? That list goes on and on of things that are more important on the planet, than JV/Lance and some guys that dope.

Get a grip.

after reading the musings of a former Lance fan, i have to say i will of course get a grip.

 

[MarkvW]

24/7/365 line of sight chaperones! Plus security guards to check the chaperones! And random drug tests and searches.

That would do it!

 

[TourOfSardinia]

b sample?

Perhaps the announcement will be hushed out in the next pdf communication for from UCI
(a la Menchov)
Any one know when it is next scheduled?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: b sample?

Perhaps the announcement will be hushed out in the next pdf communication for from UCI
(a la Menchov)
Any one know when it is next scheduled?

It's not scheduled, I don't think. Just updated as they try to hide another positive.

 

[pastronef]

https://www.twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/659476524022697984

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio

Quiz time. Which B-Sample result is delayed because the FBI is investigating if the rider was spiked/sabotaged by his ex-wife?

 

[Benotti69]

https://www.twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/659476524022697984

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio

Quiz time. Which B-Sample result is delayed because the FBI is investigating if the rider was spiked/sabotaged by his ex-wife?

Let's hope Danielson gets done for wasting FBI's time>

 

[Irondan]

https://www.twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/659476524022697984

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio

Quiz time. Which B-Sample result is delayed because the FBI is investigating if the rider was spiked/sabotaged by his ex-wife?

What a terrible tragedy for their kids to have parents that cheat, lie, and sabotage, if this is true...

 

[thehog]

https://www.twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/659476524022697984

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio

Quiz time. Which B-Sample result is delayed because the FBI is investigating if the rider was spiked/sabotaged by his ex-wife?

What a terrible tragedy for their kids to have parents that cheat, lie, and sabotage, if this is true...

It's understood the sabotage occurred whilst he was cheating on his wife

What a load of muck. Very doubtful it's true, the story was doing the rounds a while back via Flacco.

 

[robow7]

If it were true, would that be considered a criminal offense by his ex-wife? in a civil court? just curious

 

[thehog]

Re:

If it were true, would that be considered a criminal offense by his ex-wife? in a civil court? just curious

A criminal offense in a civil court?

Civil courts are for tort, criminal courts for allegedly breaking the law.

There is some overlap but not here.

 

[Irondan]

Re:

If it were true, would that be considered a criminal offense by his ex-wife? in a civil court? just curious

Absolutely!

That's a felonious assault in some states of the US.

I'm not sure exactly what the law in Colorado is but I can assure you it's not a minor offence.

 

[D-Queued]

https://www.twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/659476524022697984

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio

Quiz time. Which B-Sample result is delayed because the FBI is investigating if the rider was spiked/sabotaged by his ex-wife?

What a terrible tragedy for their kids to have parents that cheat, lie, and sabotage, if this is true...

It's understood the sabotage occurred whilst he was cheating on his wife

What a load of muck. Very doubtful it's true, the story was doing the rounds a while back via Flacco.

Love it.

Ok, having seen how doping stories develop we can predict the next chapter.

He wasn't the one doing the cheating. That was his vanishing twin.

Dave.

 

[.Froomestrong.]

https://www.twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/659476524022697984

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio

Quiz time. Which B-Sample result is delayed because the FBI is investigating if the rider was spiked/sabotaged by his ex-wife?

The dog ate his homework.

Unreal.

Id say that Im surprised, but then Ive heard the plane magnets story...

 

[zlev11]

he should have just gone the Impey route. maybe his ex-wife is also his pharmacist?

 

[thehog]

Re:

he should have just gone the Impey route. maybe his ex-wife is also his pharmacist?

Agreed, Cookson will buy anything these days unless you"re Italiano.

The ex-wife contaminated TDs testosterone pills with testosterone. Tell Tygart you love Jesus and you'll be back riding for Garmin on the JV love train.

 

[the sceptic]

Re: Re:

he should have just gone the Impey route. maybe his ex-wife is also his pharmacist?

Agreed, Cookson will buy anything these days unless you"re Italiano.

The ex-wife contaminated TDs testosterone pills with testosterone. Tell Tygart you love Jesus and you'll be back riding for Garmin on the JV love train.

I have a feeling this is all Lance's fault. Word is that he told Tommy D to cheat on his wife.

 

[oldcrank]

https://www.twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/659476524022697984

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio

Quiz time. Which B-Sample result is delayed because the FBI is investigating if the rider was spiked/sabotaged by his ex-wife?

Life imitating art imitating life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPRmANJF_w

 

[JRanton]

Re: Re:

he should have just gone the Impey route. maybe his ex-wife is also his pharmacist?

Agreed, Cookson will buy anything these days unless you"re Italiano.

The ex-wife contaminated TDs testosterone pills with testosterone. Tell Tygart you love Jesus and you'll be back riding for Garmin on the JV love train.

On a serious note, the JV love train is fully booked (with 30 riders) for 2016 so even if Danielson gets off we won't be seeing him again on the world tour scene.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

he should have just gone the Impey route. maybe his ex-wife is also his pharmacist?

Agreed, Cookson will buy anything these days unless you"re Italiano.

The ex-wife contaminated TDs testosterone pills with testosterone. Tell Tygart you love Jesus and you'll be back riding for Garmin on the JV love train.

On a serious note, the JV love train is fully booked (with 30 riders) for 2016 so even if Danielson gets off we won't be seeing him again on the world tour scene.

oh yes, the positive came too early, and he still had not signed a 2016 contract.
sigh of relief from JV (and this board´s server )

 

[Catwhoorg]

www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6797

UKAD is obviously a different organization to USADA, but the above decision covers spiking by a 3rd party quite well, and references UKAD versus Anderson, which was an alleged case of spiking by an estranged spouse.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

he should have just gone the Impey route. maybe his ex-wife is also his pharmacist?

Agreed, Cookson will buy anything these days unless you"re Italiano.

The ex-wife contaminated TDs testosterone pills with testosterone. Tell Tygart you love Jesus and you'll be back riding for Garmin on the JV love train.

On a serious note, the JV love train is fully booked (with 30 riders) for 2016 so even if Danielson gets off we won't be seeing him again on the world tour scene.

oh yes, the positive came too early, and he still had not signed a 2016 contract.
sigh of relief from JV (and this board´s server )

Maybe JV spiked the love potion to reduce the roster of the Love Train team that wins nothing?