Tom Danielson

[fmk_RoI]

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nb: this being tedious as fcuk there's a summary at the bottom

Here's a nice summary: https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/LEGAL_sanctions_howman.pdf

Under the Code, the results management and hearing process of anti-doping
violations shall be the responsibility of and governed by the procedural rules
of the anti-doping organization which initiated and conducted sample
collections. Therefore, for example, each international federation will remain
responsible for the adjudication process for all the tests it has conducted
both in and out of competition. Each case is to be looked at individually, and
the athlete or athlete support person given the opportunity of establishing a
basis for eliminating or reducing the sanction.

HAVE WE CLEARED THAT UP YET?

The bolded bit is abundantly clear.

If it were the case a NADO had authority to sanction an athlete, then why did USADA send a recommendation to give Armstrong a lifetime ban that was ruminated over by the UCI and then reluctantly agreed?

All Code signatories are required to accept the decisions of other Code signatories. In the LA USADA case, the UCI had three choices with regard to USADA's reasoned decision: 1) obey the Code and accept USADA's decision; 2) obey the Code but reject USADA's decision by filing an appeal with CAS; or 3) disobey the Code.

Again, WADA has no authority to ban anyone. NADOs have no authority to ban anyone. They are directed by anti-doping authorities to initiate a sanction.

Nonsense.

**What is the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)?
USADA is responsible for administering all of the components of the anti-doping program, including the testing and results management processes for all USOC-recognized sport national governing bodies and their athletes, as well as events.

**Whom does USADA having testing and results management authority for?
Is being tested by USADA under authorization from the USOC, an NGB, IF, any NADO, WADA, the International Olympic Committee (IOC), International Paralympic Committee, (IPC), or the organizing committee of any Event or Competition.

That means organizations request tests and a NADO fulfills those requests.

What USADA actually say:

The United States Olympic Committee (USOC), USOC-recognized National Governing Bodies for sport, (NGBs) and the World Anti-doping Agency (WADA) Code have authorized USADA to test as well as adjudicate anti-doping rule violations for any athlete who:

* Is a member or a license holder of a USOC-recognized sport NGB

* Is participating at an Event or Competition sanctioned by the USOC or a USOC-recognized sport NGB or participating at an Event or Competition in the United States sanctioned by an International Olympic Committee-recognized International Federation (IF) for sport.

* Is a foreign athlete who is present in the United States

* Has given his/her consent to Testing by USADA or who has submitted a Whereabouts Filing to USADA or an IF within the previous 12 months and has not given his/her NGB written notice of retirement

* Has been named by the USOC or an NGB to an international team or who is included in the USADA Registered Testing Pool (USADA RTP) or is competing in a qualifying event to represent the USOC or NGB in international competition

* Is a United States Athlete or foreign Athlete present in the United States who is serving a period of ineligibility due to an anti-doping rule violation and has not given prior written notice of retirement to his/her NGB and USADA or the applicable foreign anti-doping agency or foreign sport association

* Is being tested by USADA under authorization from the USOC, an NGB, IF, any NADO, WADA, the International Olympic Committee (IOC), International Paralympic Committee, (IPC), or the organizing committee of any Event or Competition.

USADA does testing for International Federations (IFs), other National Anti-Doping Organizations (NADOs) and the World Anti-Doping Agency. USADA does not test at the Olympic Games. The Local Organizing Committee for the Olympic Games and WADA oversee testing at the Games.

Yes, USADA carries out tests as instructed/requested by others. But USADA also initiates tests.

Under the "results management" FAQ
USADA forwards the Anti-Doping Review Board’s recommendation to the athlete, the relevant NGB, the USOC, the relevant IF and WADA.
Why the relevant IF? Because they have the authority to sanction.

Why the relevant IF and WADA? Because they have the right of appeal.

Here's another FAQ making my point for me:
**If the adverse analytical finding is the result of a test conducted by the IF, does USADA adjudicate the positive results or other rules violations?

In many cases, if a test conducted by an IF on a U.S. athlete, results in an adverse analytical finding, the IF will forward the case to USADA to handle the results management process and adjudication.

WADA's own public statement on how testing authority works is in this post: viewtopic.php?p=1838775#p1838775

NADOs DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SANCTION ANYONE. They test for others and process sanctions.

That makes your case if the test was conducted by the IF. In this instance the concerned parties (Danielson, Vaughters, USADA) all seem to be in agreement: the test was conducted by USADA.

The short version: you are confused over who conducted the test; you are confused over what one Code signatory respecting the decisions of another Code signatory means.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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WRT USADA's testing of TD, the following figures for tests conducted by USADA on TD are interesting:

2015 q1 number of tests conducted: 2 (2014: 3)
2015 q2 number of tests conducted: 1 (2014: 2)
2015 q3 number of tests conducted: 3 (2014: 2)
2015 q4 number of tests conducted: 2 (2014: 3)

TD's AAF came from a July 9 (Q3) OOC test. He accepted a provisional suspension in August (still Q3) having been notified of the AAF on August 2.

nb: USADA offer the following caveat for these figures which should be read:

This search includes all in- and out-of-competition test sessions on U.S. athletes conducted under USADA’s Olympic, Paralympic, Pan American, and Parapan American movements testing program. This search will also include test sessions conducted on U.S. athletes training internationally by other testing entities when the request for the test session was made by USADA.

This search WILL NOT yield results conducted on U.S. athletes by other testing entities, if the test session was not requested or initiated by USADA. Test sessions conducted by USADA at the request of other sport organizations, events, International Federations, or individuals are also not included (with the exception of the sports of motocross, professional boxing, and UFC mixed martial arts which can be found in the athlete test history). Because of these exclusions, the total numbers listed below are less than the numbers reported as USADA’s total testing numbers located here. This resource is intended to be used to determine the number of times USADA has organized a test on an individual athlete and is not an accurate representation of USADA’s total testing numbers or the total number of anti-doping tests an athlete will undergo by other and all testing and sport organizations. For questions or clarification please contact USADA’s Communication department at media@usada.org or by phone at 719-785-2046.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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And going back to JV and what was known officially and unofficially. I'd clean forgot the statement from the team:

“Tom Danielson notified Slipstream Sports that he was informed by USADA that he has returned an adverse analytical A sample using carbon isotope testing. In accordance with Slipstream Sports’ zero tolerance anti-doping policy, he has been suspended from competition, effective immediately. He awaits the results his B sample. Slipstream respects and will adhere to the process of the anti-doping authorities and will not comment further.”

Compare that with what JV told VN:

“The amount of official information that I have is very small,” Vaughters said. “I was never officially informed by USADA that he tested positive. I haven’t been informed by the UCI, either. I have no idea where the B sample is or isn’t. Not a clue. I don’t know if Tom is taking the case to arbitration. From an official standpoint, the only thing I know is that on August 3, Tom Danielson tweeted that he had tested positive for synthetic testosterone. When I called [USADA general counsel] Bill Bock, he confirmed that there had been an adverse A.”

 

[Benotti69]

Jv caught lying. Par for the world of sport.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Re:

nb: this being tedious as **** there's a summary at the bottom

Here's a nice summary: https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/LEGAL_sanctions_howman.pdf

Under the Code, the results management and hearing process of anti-doping
violations shall be the responsibility of and governed by the procedural rules
of the anti-doping organization which initiated and conducted sample
collections. Therefore, for example, each international federation will remain
responsible for the adjudication process for all the tests it has conducted
both in and out of competition. Each case is to be looked at individually, and
the athlete or athlete support person given the opportunity of establishing a
basis for eliminating or reducing the sanction.

HAVE WE CLEARED THAT UP YET?

The bolded bit is abundantly clear.

I buggered up the NADO role with Wonderboy. I'll revisit that.

If you take the bolded literally then NADOs that test could open cases. They don't, or haven't. I would argue the "anti-doping organization" is the federation. You seem to argue it's the NADO when the NADO tests. Right?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

I would argue the "anti-doping organization" is the federation.

In that case I can only refer you to the WADC

Part One of the Code sets forth specific anti-doping rules and principles that are to be followed by organizations responsible for adopting, implementing or enforcing anti-doping rules within their authority, e.g., the International Olympic Committee, International Paralympic Committee, International Federations, National Olympic Committees and Paralympic Committees, Major Event Organizations, and National Anti-Doping Organizations. All such organizations are collectively referred to as Anti-Doping Organizations.

if at this stage you still cannot accept that you are in error then I would respectfully suggest we draw a line under this discussion as it's going nowhere.

 

[MarkvW]

Seems to me, from reading what's been posted here, that the "anti-doping organization" in any particular case is dependent upon who took the sample in question. If the NF took the sample in question in a particular case, it gets to be the anti-doping organization for that case. If the ADA for the region took the sample in question, then it gets to be the anti-doping organization.

Seems quite logical. That way the NFs can't piss on WADA's work and vice versa.

This rule stopped McQuaid from his transparently corrupt attempt to take over the Armstrong investigation, didn't it?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Seems to me, from reading what's been posted here, that the "anti-doping organization" in any particular case is dependent upon who took the sample in question. If the NF took the sample in question in a particular case, it gets to be the anti-doping organization for that case. If the ADA for the region took the sample in question, then it gets to be the anti-doping organization.

Partly correct. First, the minor point: NFs don't do sample collection. Second, the more important correction: as explained previously, it is the ADO that initiates the sample collection request that gets to prosecute the case (subject to the UCI's new Anti-Doping Tribunal rules which are meant to allow NADOs to voluntarily pass the case to the UCI if everyone is in agreement). So if USADA collected a sample from Danielson at the request of the UCI, it would be a UCI case. If USADA collected the sample off its own initiative - and as the recognised testing body for US Olympic sports they do do that - then it would be a USADA case.

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Re:

Seems to me, from reading what's been posted here, that the "anti-doping organization" in any particular case is dependent upon who took the sample in question. If the NF took the sample in question in a particular case, it gets to be the anti-doping organization for that case. If the ADA for the region took the sample in question, then it gets to be the anti-doping organization.

Partly correct. First, the minor point: NFs don't do sample collection. Second, the more important correction: as explained previously, it is the ADO that initiates the sample collection request that gets to prosecute the case (subject to the UCI's new Anti-Doping Tribunal rules which are meant to allow NADOs to voluntarily pass the case to the UCI if everyone is in agreement). So if USADA collected a sample from Danielson at the request of the UCI, it would be a UCI case. If USADA collected the sample off its own initiative - and as the recognised testing body for US Olympic sports they do do that - then it would be a USADA case.

That makes sense. Thanks.

 

[vedrafjord]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015...son-doping-and-return-to-the-worldtour_389532

I’ve spoken with Tom. He’s my friend. We all know he’s made mistakes in the past. Maybe he made another bad decision, maybe he didn’t. I don’t know. He met me on a group ride, and I ripped his legs off at a Florida gran fondo event. He invited me to Tucson. He trained with me. His whole lesson, the takeaway I got from him in a year and a half of being with him, was ‘Yeah, I used to do this stuff, and now we don’t have to. This is how we do it now.’ He called Vaughters, to help make my dream come true. He pulled me to the top of the climbs in San Luis, where we were hugging and crying on top of mountains together. So it’s really confusing to my entire understanding of the world, and human beings. I don’t know what’s going on, but that’s not the guy I know. I hope it gets sorted out, and I hope that my instincts, and my feelings about him, are proven true.

You're not very smart, are you Phil?

 

[thehog]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015...son-doping-and-return-to-the-worldtour_389532

I’ve spoken with Tom. He’s my friend. We all know he’s made mistakes in the past. Maybe he made another bad decision, maybe he didn’t. I don’t know. He met me on a group ride, and I ripped his legs off at a Florida gran fondo event. He invited me to Tucson. He trained with me. His whole lesson, the takeaway I got from him in a year and a half of being with him, was ‘Yeah, I used to do this stuff, and now we don’t have to. This is how we do it now.’ He called Vaughters, to help make my dream come true. He pulled me to the top of the climbs in San Luis, where we were hugging and crying on top of mountains together. So it’s really confusing to my entire understanding of the world, and human beings. I don’t know what’s going on, but that’s not the guy I know. I hope it gets sorted out, and I hope that my instincts, and my feelings about him, are proven true.

You're not very smart, are you Phil?

Two men, hugging and crying.

 

[arthurvandelay]

[quo. He pulled me to the top of the climbs in San Luis, where we were hugging and crying on top of mountains together. So it’s really confusing to my entire understanding of the world, and human beings.


Two men, hugging and crying.[/quote]

It's like they always say: Bros before H*'s.

 

[blackcat]

Two men, hugging and crying.

thought the same thing

supressed chuckle, is supressed.

 

[Benotti69]

Gaimon sent forth by JV to try and give a positive gloss with another MrOmerta with a keyboard. Failed.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Gaimon sent forth by JV to try and give a positive gloss with another MrOmerta with a keyboard. Failed.

worth every cent of the UCI protour minimum. cheap for his marketing spend. cheap for a marketing flak.

hey, does anyone know if you can still get Kristin's corner on Tommy D's webnet?

and I hope I can still buy my brasstown bald coffee blend on tommyD.net.com

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015...son-doping-and-return-to-the-worldtour_389532

I’ve spoken with Tom. He’s my friend. We all know he’s made mistakes in the past. Maybe he made another bad decision, maybe he didn’t. I don’t know. He met me on a group ride, and I ripped his legs off at a Florida gran fondo event. He invited me to Tucson. He trained with me. His whole lesson, the takeaway I got from him in a year and a half of being with him, was ‘Yeah, I used to do this stuff, and now we don’t have to. This is how we do it now.’ He called Vaughters, to help make my dream come true. He pulled me to the top of the climbs in San Luis, where we were hugging and crying on top of mountains together. So it’s really confusing to my entire understanding of the world, and human beings. I don’t know what’s going on, but that’s not the guy I know. I hope it gets sorted out, and I hope that my instincts, and my feelings about him, are proven true.

You're not very smart, are you Phil?

Two men, hugging and crying.

From the Verdruggen / McQuaid 'written on the palm of your hand like Sarah Palin' playbook.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

When Danielson 'confessed' and served his suspension did he say when and where he doped? (Postal/Discovery/Fass) Or did he just confess to the smallest possible window to keep the Omerta intact?

 

[Benotti69]

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When Danielson 'confessed' and served his suspension did he say when and where he doped? (Postal/Discovery/Fass) Or did he just confess to the smallest possible window to keep the Omerta intact?

All the Garmin riders released a near identical statement that was low on dates and facts.

Steve Tilford has done a few pretty decent critiques of Garmin and Danielson. So much so Vaughters invited Tilford to Denver to try and sell some him snakeoil. Tilford didn't buy any

 

[Benotti69]

Danielson back on social media but wont talk to journalists. Got to love the transparency of these dopers. W@#**ER!

 

[doperhopper]

ambassador of the sport... is it April already?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/suspended-danielson-continues-to-be-a-spokesperson-for-cycling/

 

[Benotti69]

ambassador of the sport... is it April already?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/suspended-danielson-continues-to-be-a-spokesperson-for-cycling/

Hey if Millar gets away with it, why not any other regular run of the mill doped their whole career but only admitted to it once kind of guy........

 

[hrotha]

ambassador of the sport... is it April already?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/suspended-danielson-continues-to-be-a-spokesperson-for-cycling/

No, but it's December 2012 apparently.

 

[HelmutRoole]

ambassador of the sport... is it April already?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/suspended-danielson-continues-to-be-a-spokesperson-for-cycling/

I like this part: "Danielson confessed to using erythropoietin (EPO), human growth hormone (hGH), testosterone, cortisone plus the use of prohibited blood transfusions during the 2005 and 2006 seasons while a member of the Discovery Channel Cycling Team..."

 

[MarkvW]

Why the interest in a three year old story?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/danielson-hopes-to-resolve-doping-case-and-race-next-year/

Ugh. Laura. Why?

As I pointed out numerous times in the past, the team are sponsored by a supplements testing company. ffs.