Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

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staubsauger said:
Groenenwegen was harmed by his crash though, his whole season had been stellar beforehand!

Dumoulin is gonna be outright leader at Jumbo and get all their climbers as domestique. That's something neither Sunweb, nor CCC really can offer to him. So Jumbo really should be in pole position to sign him.
Kruijswijk simply goes to the grand tour that Dumoulin doesn't ride.

Roglic is gone anyway in that scenario. Only question is whether Jumbo already sells him this winter or let's him go for free after 2020. Once Dumoulin is on board he doesn't add too much to the team anymore, as the focus shifts from one week tours to gt's. Roglic showed at the Giro he's not capable to win a big tour. Too limited in the big mountains and to be tactically inept as well. Kruijswijk actually might've won that Giro against Carapaz!
I agree with the first part but I'm not sure about the second part. Roglic is still quite new to cycling and despite his age (he is older than Dumoulin) he is still developing, especially as a GT contender. He started the Tour last year as a superdom to Kruijswijk yet he finished in front of him and almost snatched the podium place from Froome. He was the leader at this year's Giro but the team couldn't support him properly unlike to Kruijswijk's Tour bid. The third place is a good result considering this and it easily could have been better. I think he is a better GT rider already than Kruijswijk. So while Dumoulin is better and younger than Roglic the same can be said about Roglic versus Kruijswijk. So why does Kruijswijk fit to the team if Roglic doesn't? Because his nationality? I think they need all of them.

As for Bennett the future is not bright. If Dumoulin signs with Jumbo Bennett will most certainly will be relegated to pure domestique duties behind the 3 leaders. If someone will have a shared leader option in the future besides Dumo, Rogla and Kruijswjk it will probably be De Plus.

I like the idea of sharing the 3 GTs between the 3 stars. This way none of them will be unhappy and they will help each other without questions.
 
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Moviefan1203 said:
Didn’t Roglic already sign an extension earlier this season?
yep, until the end of 2020 iirc
Actually 2023. Not sure ifs a done deal yet though.
I see, 2020 must've been the original contract then.
They made an offer till 2023 but he hasn't signed anything yet.
His best move would be to look elsewhere. Maybe Astana?
 
No Vuelta for Tom :(
https://nos.nl/artikel/2296415-rampjaar-dumoulin-nog-niet-voorbij-ook-streep-door-vuelta.html
WCH not certain too.

Google transl.:
Tom Dumoulin's disaster year is only getting worse. The Limburger of Sunweb will have to miss the Vuelta a España after the Tour de France due to its fall in the Giro d'Italia.
He still has too much trouble with the knee injury he sustained during his crash, making it impossible for him to appear fit and in shape at the start of the Tour of Spain in three weeks.
The Vuelta starts August 24 with a flat team time trial in Torrevieja. It is not known whether Dumoulins will participate in the Yorkshire World Championships at the end of September.
 
I have to ask... Is Sunweb liable for negligence? Could this turn into a legal case?
Pro cycling is so full of dangers and injuries, that there are going to be waivers in the contracts with teams... not much legal basis for that in even in the case of 'malpractice' by team doctors. In amateur cycling I had to sign a waiver just to be on a team, and meanwhile two racers died in race accidents on the local circuit... nothing happened because they assumed the risks themselves in writing

The only thing I remember in pro cycling that was successful was, Johnny Hoogerland, and that was a lawsuit versus France TV for hitting him with a car, not versus the race organization
https://cyclingtips.com/2014/11/hoogerland-finally-received-payout-after-2011-barbed-wire-crash-in-tour-de-france/

And vaguely I remember reading about unsuccessful lawsuits in ancient history, like in the 1990s, where cyclists claimed they were doped by their team against their will... can't recall exactly what those ones were about. The legal contentions in pro cycling are usually not medical-related

Breach of contract, Wout van Aert sued by his team
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verandas-willems-crelan-file-lawsuit-against-wout-van-aert/

Reputation, another low-class move by Mark Cavendish, as if he can sue just for being asked a question
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/world-of-sport/unrepentant-mark-cavendish-threatens-journalist-after-controversial-crash-91484

Lance Armstrong loving to sue people or to bully with the threat of suing, that kind of thing.
Mostly about money or supposed defense of 'reputation', what a joke
 
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Is beyond me what is happenning with him. Sunweb probably ruined his career and I had a feeling that this dude could win 5 straight tours. Only froome could bother him in the mountains and he is probably the best time trialist in the world, somehow I feel sunweb stole the 2019 tour from him. The competition was teally weak there
 
Pantani had to abandon the 1993 Giro d'Italia with tendinitis after Carrera raced him too hard as a stagaire in 1992 and a domestique in Mexico & Trentino earlier in spring! If my information is correct he didn't race again in 1993 as well. Of course he would be coming back stronger the following year, winning back-to-back mountain stages and finishing 2nd at the 1994 Giro d'Italia, respectively finishing 3rd & winning the youth classification against Virenque at the 1994 Tour de France!

So Dumoulin not racing again at all this season might be not as dramatic as it sounds right now! The problem of course is that Dumoulins tendon is harmed by a fall and a subsequent injury, while Pantani's was simply stressed too much. I've got some worries, too. Then again, apparently Jumbo is confident that Dumoulin is 100% back in action in 2020!

As he wants to leave anyway, maybe Dumoulin simply doesn't have any desire to race again and potentially once again stress his knee too early this year anymore. Simply healing out completely and focus on 2020 with Jumbo already! So Ruben's suggestion sounds quite plausible to me, given his latest injury record and the ongoing contract negotiations!
 
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Is beyond me what is happenning with him. Sunweb probably ruined his career and I had a feeling that this dude could win 5 straight tours. Only froome could bother him in the mountains and he is probably the best time trialist in the world, somehow I feel sunweb stole the 2019 tour from him. The competition was teally weak there
Ruined his career: Remains to be seen if/how he comes back next season.
Stole the 2019 Tour from him: Did Sprekenbrink cause the crash in Frascati? Just because he thought Jumbo might be sniffing around his star? Seems like a serious allegation..
 
Ruined his career: Remains to be seen if/how he comes back next season.
Stole the 2019 Tour from him: Did Sprekenbrink cause the crash in Frascati? Just because he thought Jumbo might be sniffing around his star? Seems like a serious allegation..
If at all it's the medical team that harmed Dumoulin, not Spekenbrink!

If so, Dumoulin could still fill-in a lawsuit against the medical staff. Most times these lawsuits end-up being endless dead cases. Hence why the acussed often just throws a big paycheck at the suitor, to make the case disappear.

In Dumoulin's case he probably won't ask for smart money, but for a cheap release from his contract to join Jumbo. Thus, he could use a lawsuit for negligence against Sunweb to significantly better his position during the negotiations.

Spekenbrink has zero interest that this happens. He loses his star rider, a big transfer fee and a friend!
 
The Dutch press reports that it is now certain that Tom leaves Sunweb. Apperently they have reached an agreement. So if the rumors are true, TJV will be his new team.

I think that a fresh start might do him some good.

EDIT: Tom reports on Twitter that he is leaving Sunweb.
 
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I know a rider like Tom Dumoulin must go where he can earn the most money for his family but I for one do not want to see all the GC riders in 2 teams

I also think alot of posters on here are very unfair on Sunweb ...they helped develop Dumoulin just like they are developing talent like Hirschi and Kamna
They have a very limited budget and from that have a womens team and a youth development team. They bought what they could and could afford.I still beleive if al lfit Dumoulin Tour team this year at the Tour with Kelderman,Oomen, Kamna , Mathews & Roche was not too shabby at all
And contrary to many report Dumoulin's move is for the pay ...which is fine ..he has to go where he has to go

Just dont expect the grass to always be greener
But I wish him well and hope he can win the Tour next year
 
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I kind of started to hope that there was a way he could stay. I think Sunweb have done very well with the resources they have, and they were the team that brought the Skil jerseys back to the peloton.

But it’s clear that with their resources, they just wouldn’t ever be able to get everything lined up for Dumoulin to win every race he can.

The big question now is if his new employer is definitely Jumbo, or if it’ll be someone else. If it’s Jumbo, why not announce the new team now? Edit: oh, but now I see while I was typing this they already have confirmed it.
 

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