Impressive again today! What's odd though is that large group together pretty much till the end, not something you see very often in the third week of a GT. I suppose Landa's pace wasn't that high..
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Dekker_Tifosi said:Yeah, Froome was way more surprising. In fact Froome still is the most surprising GT winner ever and most surprising evolution ever.
Dumoulin at least had a 5th and a 3rd place in the tour de suisse. Froome had.. wel what? a 30th place on Alpe once
Carols said:Dekker_Tifosi said:Yeah, Froome was way more surprising. In fact Froome still is the most surprising GT winner ever and most surprising evolution ever.
Dumoulin at least had a 5th and a 3rd place in the tour de suisse. Froome had.. wel what? a 30th place on Alpe once
Difficult to disagree with this. Froome never showed an iota of talent pre-transformation.
Dumoulin certainly did.
Zinoviev Letter said:Carols said:Dekker_Tifosi said:Yeah, Froome was way more surprising. In fact Froome still is the most surprising GT winner ever and most surprising evolution ever.
Dumoulin at least had a 5th and a 3rd place in the tour de suisse. Froome had.. wel what? a 30th place on Alpe once
Difficult to disagree with this. Froome never showed an iota of talent pre-transformation.
Dumoulin certainly did.
Froome showed a great deal of talent before he won his first GT, however. Whether a rider's change in fortunes over a course of a career is credible is a matter for the clinic. Whether a rider was a more surprising winner of a particular GT, given what was known about him at the start of that GT, is what this thread tangent is about. It's hard to come up with anyone who beats Dumoulin in that regard at least since Mauri.
."I think yesterday [stage 15] I made a mistake, I could have hung on a little longer but I went too quickly to my own pace," Dumoulin explained. "Today I thought, 'if I blow up, I blow up', but I didn't
SeriousSam said:."I think yesterday [stage 15] I made a mistake, I could have hung on a little longer but I went too quickly to my own pace," Dumoulin explained. "Today I thought, 'if I blow up, I blow up', but I didn't
That's interesting. Not what I'd expect. The psychological benefit of following wheels seems greater than I thought it would be.
With that in mind, his chances for the leader's jersey don't look good.Red Rick said:Pentacycle said:If Dumo's positioning is better tomorrow, he might end up much closer to the climbers. The mountain stages will tire him out a little more than the climbers, as he has 10 kgs extra weight. However, his superior TT postion is crucial to convert the extra watts into time gained. Has he actually been able to do much training on his aero bike?
I don't think he touched his tt bike since the TdF prologue
Zinoviev Letter said:SeriousSam said:."I think yesterday [stage 15] I made a mistake, I could have hung on a little longer but I went too quickly to my own pace," Dumoulin explained. "Today I thought, 'if I blow up, I blow up', but I didn't
That's interesting. Not what I'd expect. The psychological benefit of following wheels seems greater than I thought it would be.
You can see the psychological (or "placebo" in a sense) benefits of following someone else's pace in distance running very obviously. There is a measurable slipstream in the 10k, but there certainly isn't enough of one to explain the fact that everyone runs in a pack at whatever pace whoever is willing to take the front chooses. Particularly given the sheltered and round nature of a track.
Mongolian Mayhem said:Big Tom is just savage. He is my new sentimental favourite. He doesn't quit and just plows on. He's a giraffe on two wheels that probably pushes 550 -600 climbing watts and still has enough gas to hang in there to finish near the pure climbers. This is great entertainment!
Dumoulin is more Wiggins likeCarols said:Dekker_Tifosi said:Yeah, Froome was way more surprising. In fact Froome still is the most surprising GT winner ever and most surprising evolution ever.
Dumoulin at least had a 5th and a 3rd place in the tour de suisse. Froome had.. wel what? a 30th place on Alpe once
Difficult to disagree with this. Froome never showed an iota of talent pre-transformation.
Dumoulin certainly did.
Wrong forum. You can post this in the Clinic.chamber34 said:Can he be doing this naturally? For a big guy to be keeping up with pure climbers seems unreal
TomLPC said:Lotto NL to help if TD takes red tomorrow
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SeriousSam said:."I think yesterday [stage 15] I made a mistake, I could have hung on a little longer but I went too quickly to my own pace," Dumoulin explained. "Today I thought, 'if I blow up, I blow up', but I didn't
That's interesting. Not what I'd expect. The psychological benefit of following wheels seems greater than I thought it would be.
They must still have nightmares about the Spanish Armada who conspired to ride Menchov out of the red jersey 10 years ago. But I dont see how it matters much, when the road goes up Lotto NL can do just as much as Giant, wich is nothing.TomLPC said:Lotto NL to help if TD takes red tomorrow
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