Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[Ivan_Basso_77]

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Most consistent rider, far ahead of the rest in one of the hardest giros with almost no tt to speak of. Only a ET Froome 3rd week stopped him from winning again. Let it be known that Dumoulin is not just some time trialler who can climb a bit. Let it be known he is at least in the same class as Nibali and Quintana as GT rider. Ignore DFA and his stupid antics.

To you and all the other Dutch fans - I was really mad of him last year, because I dreamed when I visited the final in Milan to see Vincenzo in pink and he destroyed my dream. At first I was afraid that he might be a one hit wonder, just like Kruijswijk. However, now I believe he deserves a big credit for his fighting spirit. As much as I don't like his style of riding and his comments are arrogant sometimes, he has a character of champion. Chapeau, Tom, for which.

On the other hand, this post of yours just shows why sometimes you are accused of nationalism. Do you really believe this version of Tom can defeat Vincenzo in absolute top shape like Giro 2013/Tour 2014?? I am afraid you don't have a strong argument to talk like this. If you think you can prove me wrong, feel free to try.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

That Nibali is gone m I'm talking about 2016-2018 Nibali. The Nibali of 2014 isn't returning

 

[Stella0596]

Just seeing it realistically: all the 'if Quintana was in good shape', 'if Nibali was in good shape' comments don't make sense, just like the 'if Froome didn't have such a crazy third week'. Tom has won the Giro against Quintana and Nibali last year, and wasn't able to beat Froome this year, but was the only one to finish within a minute of him. He has gone for GC twice and finished on the first and the second step of the podium. We don't know what else he'll do, but those performances is something he should get credits for.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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I think it's unfair to say Dumoulin didn't have top level in the mountains.. He finished more than 4 minutes ahead of other great climbers... saying he didn't climb that well just isn't true.

Well he was probably the third best climber in this race. He did climb well. He just doesn't have the top level in the mountains that the best stage racers in the world have: Froome, Quintana, Nibali, Landa, Valverde, Porte are just a level above. What he has which some of them don't is consistency. But against the best riders on top form, he's always going to come up short on the climbs.

Who was the 2nd best climber ? Yates? Froome?
I'm inclined to say Tom Dumoulin has been, on average, the best climber this Giro, if you look solely at what he's gained and lost when the road went uphill

 

[Tonton]

Respect to Tom Dumoulin, a heck of a rider. Too little ITT for him to mitigate stage 19 time losses, but the most consistent rider. He more than held his own in the mountains against a very solid group of climbers. On the attack today, he tried. Respect.

 

[scapewalker]

I was genuinly impressed by his consistency. Who would have thought it would be one of his strength only last year when most users on here expected him to crack at some point.

He probably was the most consistent rider this Giro. Well deserved 2nd place.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

If he stays this consistent then many opportunities will still come.

 

[SafeBet]

Confirmed he's a world class GT rider. I'd take only Froome above him at the moment. I was at the finish today and I can say Italian fans love him, they exploded when the speaker announced he had attacked on the final climb.

 

[Netserk]

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I'd like to see him try his hand at the Tour. The Giro is always a slightly soft option because you generally don't face the best riders on peak form. Will be interesting to see if he takes the easy route again next year.

Yep, taking on Froome, Nibali, and Quintana really is the soft option. Does he dare to face Porte?!

 

[SafeBet]

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I'd like to see him try his hand at the Tour. The Giro is always a slightly soft option because you generally don't face the best riders on peak form. Will be interesting to see if he takes the easy route again next year.

Yep, taking on Froome, Nibali, and Quintana really is the soft option. Does he dare to face Porte?!

Peak shape Daniel Martin is very scary though.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

 

[Forever The Best]

Don't you all know Uran is the 2nd best GT rider behind Froome and TD is just scared of him? :lol:

 

[DFA123]

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I'd like to see him try his hand at the Tour. The Giro is always a slightly soft option because you generally don't face the best riders on peak form. Will be interesting to see if he takes the easy route again next year.

Yep, taking on Froome, Nibali, and Quintana really is the soft option. Does he dare to face Porte?!

"best riders on peak form"

Once again, your eagerness to seize upon part of the statement has left you missing the point.

 

[DFA123]

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I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

Well he's a much better climber and descender, so yes, he probably is too much of a challenge for Dumoulin.

I think Bardet would have won this Giro with his form from last years Tour.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Now you just trolling again. I'm out

 

[Netserk]

Surely Uran as well then?

 

[Sestriere]

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I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

Well he's a much better climber and descender, so yes, he probably is too much of a challenge for Dumoulin.

I think Bardet would have won this Giro with his form from last years Tour.

He TTs worse than Pinot, no way he could have overcome that.

 

[DFA123]

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I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

Well he's a much better climber and descender, so yes, he probably is too much of a challenge for Dumoulin.

I think Bardet would have won this Giro with his form from last years Tour.

He TTs worse than Pinot, no way he could have overcome that.

I think he could have done a similar race to what Yates did, but sustained it into the final week.

 

[Winnen]

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I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

Well he's a much better climber and descender, so yes, he probably is too much of a challenge for Dumoulin.

I think Bardet would have won this Giro with his form from last years Tour.

He TTs worse than Pinot, no way he could have overcome that.

I think he could have done a similar race to what Yates did, but sustained it into the final week.

But can he produce the same TT as Yates?

 

[Sestriere]

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I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

Well he's a much better climber and descender, so yes, he probably is too much of a challenge for Dumoulin.

I think Bardet would have won this Giro with his form from last years Tour.

He TTs worse than Pinot, no way he could have overcome that.

I think he could have done a similar race to what Yates did, but sustained it into the final week.

If he had gone into the TT in the same situation as Yates he would have been a minute behind instead of a minute ahead before the last mountain block. Which means he would have been a minute and something ahead of Froome. But this sort of speculation is useless anyway, imo he would not have won, even if he had attended in top shape.

 

[DFA123]

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I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

Well he's a much better climber and descender, so yes, he probably is too much of a challenge for Dumoulin.

I think Bardet would have won this Giro with his form from last years Tour.

He TTs worse than Pinot, no way he could have overcome that.

I think he could have done a similar race to what Yates did, but sustained it into the final week.

But can he produce the same TT as Yates?

Probably not, but possibly if he had the MR on his back. Anyway, he wouldn't have need to because I think he could have stayed with Froome on Finestre.

 

[Brullnux]

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I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

Well he's a much better climber and descender, so yes, he probably is too much of a challenge for Dumoulin.

I think Bardet would have won this Giro with his form from last years Tour.

What does Dumoulin have to do to make you respect him? If he loses, then he's not good enough; if he wins, then the others were out of form. There were numbers last year from the climbs to suggest that the level at the Giro and the Tour was the same. Quintana wasn't that bad, and Nibali wasn't that bad either. I have no idea how you can seriously suggest that Bardet - who lost 2 minutes in a 20km hilly TT - is a better GT rider than Dumoulin. Bardet was an immense disappointment last year a time the Tour, never attacking more than 2km out because he was afraid of losing his podium. Valverde hasn't seriously competed for the win in years. Or Porte. Only Froome, maybe Quintana if he ever reminds his mojo, is a better GT rider than Dumoulin - and I'm a nibali fan.

 

[DFA123]

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I'm sure Bardet is too much of a challenge too

Well he's a much better climber and descender, so yes, he probably is too much of a challenge for Dumoulin.

I think Bardet would have won this Giro with his form from last years Tour.

What does Dumoulin have to do to make you respect him? If he loses, then he's not good enough; if he wins, then the others were out of form. There were numbers last year from the climbs to suggest that the level at the Giro and the Tour was the same. Quintana wasn't that bad, and Nibali wasn't that bad either. I have no idea how you can seriously suggest that Bardet - who lost 2 minutes in a 20km hilly TT - is a better GT rider than Dumoulin. Bardet was an immense disappointment last year a time the Tour, never attacking more than 2km out because he was afraid of losing his podium. Valverde hasn't seriously competed for the win in years. Or Porte. Only Froome, maybe Quintana if he ever reminds his mojo, is a better GT rider than Dumoulin - and I'm a nibali fan.

What a strange comment. I do respect Dumoulin - I don't find him particularly entertaining, but I certainly respect him as a rider. I disagree with your opinion, which, believe it or not, is not gospel. To me, there are quite a few better GT riders.

 

[phil-i-am]

If all GC favourites start the same GT I'd say:
***** Froome
**** Dumoulin
*** Quintana, Nibali, Bardet
** Uran, Landa, Aru, Zakarin, Pinot, Porte
* Yates, Valverde, Martin, Kelderman, Lopez, Thomas, Roglic

 

[jaylew]

Respect to Tom Dumoulin, a heck of a rider. Too little ITT for him to mitigate stage 19 time losses, but the most consistent rider. He more than held his own in the mountains against a very solid group of climbers. On the attack today, he tried. Respect.

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