Tommy Voeckler Discussion thread

[Benotti69]

what exactly is that rest day choreographed pic of Tommy v in his slacks and dress whites reading L'Equipe in the sun with the jersey on the other chair. talk about Decadence. panache it is not

that pic says it all

it is all part of the publicity that helps his team attract sponsors and keep Voekler in a job riding a bike, strange as it may seem.

 

[Horizon Deep]

Been watching this sport for over 25 yrs and no one in that time has entertained me more than Tommy V.In fact no one comes close! The Yellow Jersey is on the perfect (albeit temporary) shoulders and T.V will defend it with real courage and class!

 

[PedalCastro]

Well done today, a great ride, the Yellow Jersey taking the fight to everybody else, not content to sit in the peleton and take it easy. Panache as somebody already said. This agressive riding can only be good for the sport, the yellow jersey was at the front, where it belongs.

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[Anonymous]

Ehm Garmin and HTC couldn't care less about him. They just wanted the stage.

And Voeckler was in that position, why drop then?

And that explains Lay-O-Tard chasing how?

Voeckler could easily have rolled along in the peloton (or what was left of it) and keep his yellow jersey (it was never in danger anyway). Everybody would be happy.
Instead he chose to gamble (a tiny bit), go with Gilbert & co. and show himself.
It's called panache.
A concept some may not understand.

Some people thought Claudio Chiappucci had "panache" too, I thought he was a Dbag, and Voeckler channels Chiappucci like no rider since Chiappucci left the peloton. "Panache" is for people with a sword in their mouth who come swinging into the room on a curtain. Riding like an idiot is being in the yellow jersey and getting into a break 15K from the finish on a relatively flat finale. You know you aren't going to make it, and you know that everyone with you has less of a chance to make it too.

 

[hrotha]

Riding like an idiot is being in the yellow jersey and getting into a break 15K from the finish on a relatively flat finale. You know you aren't going to make it, and you know that everyone with you has less of a chance to make it too.

It was a strong break with strong riders in a tough finish after a climb that had disorganized the sprinter trains. There was a decent chance it'd work. Voeckler didn't make those chances diminish, because the yellow jersey didn't magically turn him into a GC contender. If Voeckler rode like an idiot, so did Gilbert, Devenyns and Gallopin.

 

[will10]

And that explains Lay-O-Tard chasing how?



Some people thought Claudio Chiappucci had "panache" too, I thought he was a Dbag, and Voeckler channels Chiappucci like no rider since Chiappucci left the peloton. "Panache" is for people with a sword in their mouth who come swinging into the room on a curtain. Riding like an idiot is being in the yellow jersey and getting into a break 15K from the finish on a relatively flat finale. You know you aren't going to make it, and you know that everyone with you has less of a chance to make it too.

The bunch would've chased regardless who was in that break!

 

[Anonymous]

It was a strong break with strong riders in a tough finish after a climb that had disorganized the sprinter trains. There was a decent chance it'd work. Voeckler didn't make those chances diminish, because the yellow jersey didn't magically turn him into a GC contender. If Voeckler rode like an idiot, so did Gilbert, Devenyns and Gallopin.

Like I said, Lay-O-Tard says differently. Rewind the tape. The guy has 3+ minutes, and there appear to be no dominate riders. Nobody is going to allow a rider more time when they have 3+ minutes and one of the most important stages is two days away. He certainly diminished the chances of the break. No question.

 

[hrotha]

Like I said, Lay-O-Tard says differently. Rewind the tape. The guy has 3+ minutes, and there appear to be no dominate riders. Nobody is going to allow a rider more time when they have 3+ minutes and one of the most important stages is two days away. He certainly diminished the chances of the break. No question.

You assume they were chasing Voeckler, I think they were chasing Martin. Of course your thesis is in question, don't be so arrogant.

 

[Anonymous]

The bunch would've chased regardless who was in that break!

And they probably would have been caught regardless, but the fact remains that a guy with 2+ minutes on the leaders is a danger, and will not be allowed more time under any circumstances. Sorry, but Lay-O-Tard chasing says everything I need for proof of my assertion.

 

[Anonymous]

You assume they were chasing Voeckler, I think they were chasing Martin. Of course your thesis is in question, don't be so arrogant.

So your thesis is that they were chasing Martin who was only in the break to cover for Cav, and you think they were chasing him? Your thesis is in question, so I wouldn't go throwing stones if I were you. You seriously think that they were not chasing the yellow jersey who has 2+ minutes on their GC favorites? Really? That is your thesis?

 

[Anonymous]

You assume they were chasing Voeckler, I think they were chasing Martin. Of course your thesis is in question, don't be so arrogant.

Not to mention that your thesis seems pretty fluid at this point. It appears you are willing to latch onto the next theory at any moment to prove I don't have a point. Me, I'll stick with the same thing I have been saying all along.

 

[hrotha]

So your thesis is that they were chasing Martin who was only in the break to cover for Cav, and you think they were chasing him? Your thesis is in question, so I wouldn't go throwing stones if I were you. You seriously think that they were not chasing the yellow jersey who has 2+ minutes on their GC favorites? Really? That is your thesis?

My thesis is only that, a thesis, and I'm stating it as my opinion on what happened, unlike you who's saying your thesis is definitely what happened and everything else is out of the question - and then using your unproven thesis to insult Voeckler.

Martin was covering for Cav, but he was there, gaining time. Yes, I do think they were chasing him. Voeckler is not seen as a GC contender, so no, I don't think they were chasing him because those 3+ minutes are irrelevant. That's my thesis. I think it's a perfectly reasonable one.

Not to mention that your thesis seems pretty fluid at this point. It appears you are willing to latch onto the next theory at any moment to prove I don't have a point. Me, I'll stick with the same thing I have been saying all along.

What? How is that a change from my initial position: that Voeckler didn't do anything wrong because he didn't reduce the chances of the breakaway staying away?

 

[Anonymous]

My thesis is only that, a thesis, and I'm stating it as my opinion on what happened, unlike you who's saying your thesis is definitely what happened and everything else is out of the question - and then using your unproven thesis to insult Voeckler.

Why not split the baby while you are at it? Um, it is ridiculous to suggest that yours is merely opinion, but mine is something else. Absurd actually. Let me state clearly (though I shouldn't have to considering that any post is OBVIOUSLY OPINION when posted unless there happens to be some verified, researched, quoted article with it), it is just my OPINION.

And in my OPINION, Voeckler does plenty to insult himself, so...

Martin was covering for Cav, but he was there, gaining time. Yes, I do think they were chasing him. Voeckler is not seen as a GC contender, so no, I don't think they were chasing him because those 3+ minutes are irrelevant. That's my thesis. I think it's a perfectly reasonable one.

And I think mine is more reasonable based on MY OPINION. If I thought yours was more reasonable, I would say so. I don't think it is. If you cannot see that we are both doing the same thing OPINION wise, I suggest taking a class in self assessment.

And to correct my earlier mistake, it is 2+ not 3+, and that changes my OPINION not one bit.

 

[hrotha]

If I'm making a distinction between my opinion and yours, it's because you said stuff like this:

No question

That's mostly it. And there's also the fact that your posts come across as pretty disrespectful to me just because I disagree with you. So yeah.

 

[Anonymous]

If I'm making a distinction between my opinion and yours, it's because you said stuff like this:

That's mostly it. And there's also the fact that your posts come across as pretty disrespectful to me just because I disagree with you. So yeah.

And to me, there is no question. That is my opinion.

But you are right, I was being a bit disrespectful, and I apologize.

 

[Franckiie]

Cycling needs more Voecklers/Gilbert/Vino characters who illuminate races and aren't afraid to take a chance.

True! They keep cycling interesting. They are not afraid to follow their own instinct rather than the instructions of teamleaders.

 

[MacRoadie]

From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/flecha-the-driver-didnt-even-stop

-Flecha was also critical of new race leader Voeckler’s attitude in the break. Asked how he felt about the French seeming to accelerate following the crash, Flecha replied: “I see that as normal behavior for Voeckler, because he’s always like that in breaks, causing trouble. Just before that, Casar, one of the others in the break, had had a go at him because Voeckler had attacked on a descent after attempting to win the mountains points instead of waiting for those of us who weren’t fighting for them. He was completely focused on the yellow jersey. We all know what he’s like, seeing him act in any other way would have surprised me.”-

sounds like the boys think V is a punk really

So, you produce one quote form a rider who's probably ****ed at half the world right now, following being run over and practically killed by a car. A quote in which Flecha in the first person, with a single "we all know whathe's like" at the end.

From that, you manage to arrive at "sounds like the boys think V is a punk really".

Amazing.

 

[hrotha]

And to me, there is no question. That is my opinion.

But you are right, I was being a bit disrespectful, and I apologize.

Great, now I can go back to not defending Voeckler because to be honest I don't like him either.

 

[MacRoadie]

Great, now I can go back to not defending Voeckler because to be honest I don't like him either.

That's cool. You can pass it off to me. I like Voeckler, and don't really give two ****s about anyone else's opinion on the matter (regardless of what it may be), so there won't be any debate on my watch.

 

[El Pistolero]

That's gotta be the first time I've seen the yellow jersey and green jersey in a small breakaway group in the Tour de France. As for Voeckler, I share Flecha's opinion on him.

 

[Anonymous]

Great, now I can go back to not defending Voeckler because to be honest I don't like him either.

Don't force me to like the guy...because I will if you're not careful

 

[Anonymous]

That's cool. You can pass it off to me. I like Voeckler, and don't really give two ****s about anyone else's opinion on the matter (regardless of what it may be), so there won't be any debate on my watch.

Well, I wouldn't take your two ****s if you were willing to give them, so there! Why in the hell would I want your ****? Even worse, two of them! That is freaking disgusting!

 

[JRTinMA]

So, you produce one quote form a rider who's probably ****ed at half the world right now, following being run over and practically killed by a car. A quote in which Flecha in the first person, with a single "we all know whathe's like" at the end.

From that, you manage to arrive at "sounds like the boys think V is a punk really".

Amazing.

Flecha's opinion is good enough for me, V's a jerk. I'm not going to disagree with the guy with the best victory salute in the biz.

 

[MacRoadie]

Well, I wouldn't take your two ****s if you were willing to give them, so there! Why in the hell would I want your ****? Even worse, two of them! That is freaking disgusting!

Dunno, maybe you want to try this?

Mythbusters - Polishing a Turd

 

[MacRoadie]

I'm not going to disagree with the guy with the best victory salute in the biz.

If you keep your fingers crossed, maybe some guy by the name of W@nker will come along and give you a new salute to admire...