Top 10 active cyclists

[burning]

Right now

1.Boonen
2.Cancellara
3.Evans
4.Cavendish
5. Hushovd
6. Gilbert
7.Martin
8. Kittel
9. Sagan
10.Greipel

Hushovd 5????? and below Sagan?
Really?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Hushovd 5????? and below Sagan?
Really?

below?

Hushovd 5 Sagan 9, that's not below

 

[hrotha]

Hushovd 5????? and below Sagan?
Really?

With the criteria most people are applying, Sagan shouldn't be in the list at all. It's not about potential, nor strictly about 2012 level.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

10 pages of discussion and not ONE mention of Marianne Vos. Do I have to do everything myself around here? I would have expected at least someone to pre-empt me on it!

She doesn't deserve a mention in THIS thread. It's not hard to find 10 active male cyclists who are clearly way better than her. She would get spanked in a WT field. That's gender equality for you.

 

[burning]

below?

Hushovd 5 Sagan 9, that's not below

oops i mean its obviously ahead

With the criteria most people are applying, Sagan shouldn't be in the list at all. It's not about potential, nor strictly about 2012 level.

His list looked like a 2012 one as Kittel and Sagan in this list but Vino is also so i was confused probably

 

[Panda Claws]

Based on Palmares


1. Tom Boonen
2. Oscar Freire
3. Alberto Contador
4. Fabian Cancellara
5. Denis Menchov
6. Philippe Gilbert
7. Damiano Cunego
8. Alexandre Vinokourov
9. Mark Cavendish
10. Thor Hushovd


I am probably forgetting a lot of people.

Based on Potential (Who will end up with the biggest palmares)

1. Alberto Contador
2. Tom Boonen
3. Philippe Gilbert
4. Peter Sagan
5. Fabian Cancellara
6. Alejandro Valverde
7. Vincenzo Nibali
8. Mark Cavendish
9. Edvald Boasson Hagen
10. Damiano Cunego

 

[ccyclo]

Add to potential: Mollema, Poels, Pinot, Rolland

 

[sulgpallur]

Based on Palmares


1. Tom Boonen
2. Oscar Freire
3. Alberto Contador
4. Fabian Cancellara
5. Denis Menchov
6. Philippe Gilbert
7. Damiano Cunego
8. Alexandre Vinokourov
9. Mark Cavendish
10. Thor Hushovd

I am probably forgetting a lot of people.

Cunego and Vinokourov better than A.Schleck or Evans?

 

[Camulos]

Top 10 based on palmares.

1. Alberto Contador
2. Fabian Cancellara
3. Tom Boonen
4. Oscar Freire
5. Philippe Gilbert
6. Mark Cavendish
7. Alessandro Petacchi
8. Alexandr Vinokourov
9. Alejandro Valverde
10. Cadel Evans

Honorable mentions to: Danilo Di Luca, Damiano Cunego, Dennis Menchov, Thor Hushovd and Davide Rebellin.

 

[Panda Claws]

Cunego and Vinokourov better than A.Schleck or Evans?

A. Schleck: 1 TDF + 1 LBL
C. Evans: 1 TDF + 1 FW + WCRR

D. Cunego: 3 GDL + 1 Giro + 1 AGR
A. Vinokourov: 2 LBL + 1 Vuelta

Yes, I rate them higher especially as Andy he sucks.

 

[Camulos]

Cunego and Vinokourov better than A.Schleck or Evans?

As if Schleck his palmares is more impressive than Cunego's or Vinokourov's.
Schleck: 3 Tour stages, 1LBL.
Cunego: 1 Giro, 3x Lombardia, 1 AGR, 4 giro stages, 2 vuelta stages.
Vinokourov: 1 Vuelta, 1 Tour de Suisse, 1 Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, 2x Paris-Nice, 2x LBL, 1 AGR, 4 Tour stages, 2 Vuelta stages.

I agree that Evans his Palmares surpasses Cunego's but not Vinokourov's.
Evans: 1 Tour, 1 Tirreno, 2x Tour de Romandie, World Champion, 1 Flèche Wallonne, 2 Tour stages, 1 Giro stage.

 

[Marcus135]

As if Schleck his palmares is more impressive than Cunego's or Vinokourov's.
Schleck: 3 Tour stages, 1LBL.
Cunego: 1 Giro, 3x Lombardia, 1 AGR, 4 giro stages, 2 vuelta stages.
Vinokourov: 1 Vuelta, 1 Tour de Suisse, 1 Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, 2x Paris-Nice, 2x LBL, 1 AGR, 4 Tour stages, 2 Vuelta stages.

I agree that Evans his Palmares surpasses Cunego's but not Vinokourov's.
Evans: 1 Tour, 1 Tirreno, 2x Tour de Romandie, World Champion, 1 Flèche Wallonne, 2 Tour stages, 1 Giro stage.

Does Cadel's and Andy's two 2nd places in the tour not count at all? They are pretty significant results although they are not a win.

 

[sulgpallur]

Does Cadel's and Andy's two 2nd places in the tour not count at all? They are pretty significant results although they are not a win.

+1 I was thinking same

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Psst, Boonen won 7 Monuments and podiumed 5 more, won 3 classics, 8 semi-classics, 6 Tour stages and the green jersey and the world championship on the road.

Andy won 1 Monument and 3 Tour stages.

You conveniently mention Boonen's podiums, but forget to mention Andy's 3 TdF runner-up spots, his Giro runner-up and his LBL podium. A TdF runner up > Monument win, in my view. But yes, of course, Boonen's palmares is still superior to Andy's.

Anyway, in terms of palmares, it's difficult to split Boonen, Cavendish, Cancellara and Contador. They all stand comparison with the very best of their particular types of rider.

 

[Camulos]

Does Cadel's and Andy's two 2nd places in the tour not count at all? They are pretty significant results although they are not a win.

I based this list on wins, after all a rider will be remembered by his victories not by second or third places, unless you're named Zoetemelk or Poulidor.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Does Cadel's and Andy's two 2nd places in the tour not count at all? They are pretty significant results although they are not a win.

A 2nd place in the Tour is the 2nd best result a rider can achieve. Better than a Monument, Giro win or a WC win.

 

[delbified]

1. Evans (probably the 1st legitimate winner of the Tour for many years except for Sastre - monumental achievement)
2. Andy (see above, but with a lesser palmares than Cuddles)
3. Gilbert
4. Cancellara
5. Boonen
6. Freire
7. Cav
8. Thor
9. Nibali
10. Martin

you'll note the absence of some well known riders who have been exposed for who they really are and don't deserve to be on any list of "top" riders.

 

[Gloin22]

A 2nd place in the Tour is the 2nd best result a rider can achieve. Better than a Monument, Giro win or a WC win.

He actually won the Tour and is the official Tour winner

 

[Camulos]

A 2nd place in the Tour is the 2nd best result a rider can achieve. Better than a Monument, Giro win or a WC win.

I would rather win a Monument, WC, Giro or Vuelta than getting second at the Tour. A second place in the Tour makes for more publicity sponsorwise though, but we're cycling fans and not your average Joe who only knows of the Tour de France when it comes to cycling.

According to your logic Jan Ullrich has a beter Palmares than Boonen or Cancellara, I must say I find that rather preposterous.

Just my 0.02$.

 

[El Pistolero]

You conveniently mention Boonen's podiums, but forget to mention Andy's 3 TdF runner-up spots, his Giro runner-up and his LBL podium. A TdF runner up > Monument win, in my view. But yes, of course, Boonen's palmares is still superior to Andy's.

Anyway, in terms of palmares, it's difficult to split Boonen, Cavendish, Cancellara and Contador. They all stand comparison with the very best of their particular types of rider.

A Monument win is always better than getting second in the Tour. In 20 years time who will remember second places? Besides Poulidor, everyone else has been forgotten.
And no it's not hard to split Cancellara, Contador and Boonen with Cavendish. Not at all...

How many Vélo d'Or's has Andy won?

 

[King Of The Wolds]

In 20 years time who will remember second places? Besides Poulidor, everyone else has been forgotten.

Nonsense. From the top of my head, I can name more TdF runners-up than I can GdL winners, and I bet you can do the same.

 

[El Pistolero]

I don't even know who got second in the Tour last year, so I doubt that.

2000: Rumsas Ramoindas
2001: Danilo di Luca(better cyclist than Andy)
2002: Michele Bartoli(better cyclist than Andy)
2003: Michele Bartoli(^)
2004: Damiano Cunego(better cyclist than Andy)
2005: Paolo Bettini(better cyclist than Andy)
2006: Paolo Bettini in his rainbow jersey crying while he passes the finish and points at the sky to pay respect to his brother who died the week before. BETTER THAN ANDY.
2007: Damiano Cunego(better than Andy)
2008: Damiano Cunego(better than Andy)
2009: Philippe Gilbert(better than Andy)
2010: Philippe Gilbert(^)
2011: Oliver Zaugg

I don't remember second or third places at the Tour.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

1. Boonen
2. Contador
3. Cancellara
4. Gilbert
5. Valverde
6. Freire
7. Evans
8. Cavendish
9. Hushovd
10. Petacchi

 

[Simply The Best]

If we are talking about entire career
1.Contador
2.Cancellara
3.Boonen
4.Gilbert
5.Menchov
6.Freire
7.Cavendish
8.Evans
9.Valverde
10.Rebellin

If about last year and current form
1.Contador
2.Cancellara
3.Gilbert
4.Boonen
5.Purito
6.Cavendish
7.Sagan
8.S.Sanchez
9.A.Schleck
10.Nibali

Sorry Alejandro and Tony

If your including evans career palmares then surely he should be in your list for the past couple of years, since they have been the most successful of his entire career

 

[Camulos]

Nonsense. From the top of my head, I can name more TdF runners-up than I can GdL winners, and I bet you can do the same.

How about naming winners of MSR, RVV, PR, LBL from the top of your head, Lombardia is by far the least prestigious monument and gets far less media coverage than the other 4 monuments. Despite being it less popular I still know who won it 5 years ago, naming the TdF runner-up from 5 years ago would be a bit more difficult imho.

I don't even know who got second in the Tour last year, so I doubt that.

2000: Rumsas Ramoindas
2001: Danilo di Luca(better cyclist than Andy)
2002: Michele Bartoli(better cyclist than Andy)
2003: Michele Bartoli(^)
2004: Damiano Cunego(better cyclist than Andy)
2005: Paolo Bettini(better cyclist than Andy)
2006: Paolo Bettini in his rainbow jersey crying while he passes the finish and points at the sky to pay respect to his brother who died the week before. BETTER THAN ANDY.
2007: Damiano Cunego(better than Andy)
2008: Damiano Cunego(better than Andy)
2009: Philippe Gilbert(better than Andy)
2010: Philippe Gilbert(^)
2011: Oliver Zaugg

I don't remember second or third places at the Tour.

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