Top 10 Cyclists from your country of all time

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Echoes said:
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Great Britain

1 Robert Millar
2 Tom Simpson
3 Barry Hoban
4 Bradley Wiggins
5 Max Sciandri
6 Hugh Porter
7 Michael Wright
8 Mark Cavendish …
9 Brian Robinson
10 Leslie West

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A honorable mention is Ray Booty who was the first cyclist to break the four hour mark for the 100-mile TT. He also won many other TTs in the UK. As I recall he rode a fixed gear bike with a 3-speed sturmey archer type ASW hub.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Booty
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Needs Jan Veselý imo.
Didn't know him. Great Eastern champion apparently. What really happened in 1955?

Shame he couldn't mix it up with Westerners.


elapid said:
It's not only about the number of wins. Agree with Cookster and proff, hard to look past the first Australian winner of both the TdF and WC. While there may have been other pioneers, Phil Anderson is generally recognized as the pioneer and inspiration for most of the current and recently retired Australian riders so I definitely think you are selling him short in your assessment.
1) You can't build up a palmares on two races only. A great palmarès needs quality AND quantity. Anderson has both. Evans is a great rider but Anderson raced ALL classics and I can't look past it. I've seen fragments of the Tour of Flanders 1988. He didn't win but he was definitely the best man in the race, he attacked multiple times. Terrific rider.

2) I saw an interview with Phil in which he said himself that there already were great Aussie riders before him. False modesty? Well if you consider that Sir Hubert Opperman already won Paris-Brest-Paris in 1931, I guess he must be right. Snowy Munro toptened Milan-Sanremo in 1912, if I'm not mistaken.
Why sell him short? All the Aussies who raced before him, don't they count?

FF'Wilco said:
Stablinski, Graczyk or Klabi&#324]

So they're Polish, aren't they? The two former were born Polish and turned French as adults, just like Marcellak. As far as I know, Klabinski never applied for French citizenship. ;)

By the way, I definitely rate Spruch higher than Jaskula.

avanti said:
A honorable mention is Ray Booty who was the first cyclist to break the four hour mark for the 100-mile TT. He also won many other TTs in the UK. As I recall he rode a fixed gear bike with a 3-speed sturmey archer type ASW hub.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Booty
Good racer apparently. But never seems to have raced on the continent.

By the way, I realize I forgot Sean Yates in my list. So perhaps #5 or so. ;)
 
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My British list:

1 Mark Cavendish has won more races than any other British rider, inc the second to win WC.

2 Tom Simpson the first to win the WC, and had his career had not been cut short by rampant drug use would be number won. The most naturally talented British rider of all time

3 Bradley Wiggins
4 Robert Millar
5 Barry Hoban
6 Chris Boardman
7 Graeme Obree
8 Brian Robinson
9 Micheal Wright
10 George Mills

Cav simply has to be number 1, for his plamares, his likely future palmares and the fact he is already regarded by many as the finest road sprinter of all time.

Obree counts, right? Granted his road career was rather short
 
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My list (I'm going to use official results... that means Lance gets his 1996 and prior results, Hincappie loses a two year stretch, etc).

1. Greg Lemond - 3 TDF wins, 5 TDF stage wins, 2 WC's, 1 D-L.
2. Andy Hampstein - 1 Giro win, 1 Giro mountain win, 3 Giro stages, 1 TDF stage, 2 TDS, 1 Romandie.
3. Tyler Hamilton - 1 TDF stage, LBL, 1 Giro stage, 2nd in Giro, 2 Romandie, 1 D-L, 1 USC.
4. Bobby Julich - 1 TDF stage, 3rd in TDF. 1 Giro stage. 1 P-N. Olympic Bronze.
5. Levi Leipheimer - 1 TDF stage. 2nd in Vuelta. 2 vuelta stages. 1 USC. 1 USC-TT.
6. Lance Armstrong - 2 TDF stages, 1 WC, 1 USC.
7. Tyler Farrar - 2 TDF stages, 3 Giro stages, 3 Vuelta stages.
8. George Hincappie - 1 TDF stage. 3 USC's. 1 GW.
9. Davis Phinney - 2 TDF stages, 2nd in points at a TDF, 1 USC.
10. Fred Rodriguez - 1 Giro stage. 2nd in MSR. 3 USC's.


First out. Dave Zabriskie - 1 TDF stage. 1 Giro stage. 5 USC-TT's.


Kind of a sad list... especially to see how high guys who've had years taken out of their palmares still rank. Grewal had a gold medal... but that was really it. Taylor Phinney has a Giro stage, a USC-TT and a 2nd in the Worlds ITT... but he's got a ways to go with Zabriskie having 5 USC-TT's. Van Garderen has shown promise but has to win some bigger races. Horner doesn't have much beyond a single Basque Country win. Talansky's Vuelta performance is promising, but he needs to win some bigger races too.
 
kurtinsc said:
My list (I'm going to use official results... that means Lance gets his 1996 and prior results, Hincappie loses a two year stretch, etc).

1. Greg Lemond - 3 TDF wins, 5 TDF stage wins, 2 WC's, 1 D-L.
2. Andy Hampstein - 1 Giro win, 1 Giro mountain win, 3 Giro stages, 1 TDF stage, 2 TDS, 1 Romandie.
3. Tyler Hamilton - 1 TDF stage, LBL, 1 Giro stage, 2nd in Giro, 2 Romandie, 1 D-L, 1 USC.
4. Bobby Julich - 1 TDF stage, 3rd in TDF. 1 Giro stage. 1 P-N. Olympic Bronze.
5. Levi Leipheimer - 1 TDF stage. 2nd in Vuelta. 2 vuelta stages. 1 USC. 1 USC-TT.
6. Lance Armstrong - 2 TDF stages, 1 WC, 1 USC.
7. Tyler Farrar - 2 TDF stages, 3 Giro stages, 3 Vuelta stages.
8. George Hincappie - 1 TDF stage. 3 USC's. 1 GW.
9. Davis Phinney - 2 TDF stages, 2nd in points at a TDF, 1 USC.
10. Fred Rodriguez - 1 Giro stage. 2nd in MSR. 3 USC's.


First out. Dave Zabriskie - 1 TDF stage. 1 Giro stage. 5 USC-TT's.


Kind of a sad list... especially to see how high guys who've had years taken out of their palmares still rank. Grewal had a gold medal... but that was really it. Taylor Phinney has a Giro stage, a USC-TT and a 2nd in the Worlds ITT... but he's got a ways to go with Zabriskie having 5 USC-TT's. Van Garderen has shown promise but has to win some bigger races. Horner doesn't have much beyond a single Basque Country win. Talansky's Vuelta performance is promising, but he needs to win some bigger races too.
Taylor Phinney could overtake some of the lower hanging guys in the next couple of years.
 
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Dazed and Confused said:
Taylor Phinney could overtake some of the lower hanging guys in the next couple of years.
Depends. If he wins a world championship or a few GT stages time-trialing... yeah he could climb up. But if he does what Hincappie always did in the cobbled races (place high but never win), he'll have trouble climbing. He's certainly not going to get any major GC results.

I think Talansky and Van Garderen have a better shot at moving up. It's possible to envision them winning some Romandie/Basque/D-L/Suisse type races and possibly getting a podium at a GT... that would put them way up the list pretty quick.
 
kurtinsc said:
Depends. If he wins a world championship or a few GT stages time-trialing... yeah he could climb up. But if he does what Hincappie always did in the cobbled races (place high but never win), he'll have trouble climbing. He's certainly not going to get any major GC results.

I think Talansky and Van Garderen have a better shot at moving up. It's possible to envision them winning some Romandie/Basque/D-L/Suisse type races and possibly getting a podium at a GT... that would put them way up the list pretty quick.
there's uncertainty and major competition, but such a major TT engine (with a decent sprint) is bound to get a couple of big results.
 
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Dazed and Confused said:
there's uncertainty and major competition, but such a major TT engine (with a decent sprint) is bound to get a couple of big results.
The problem is his complete lack of climbing. While he has a decent sprint... it's not enough to beat the top guys. It's the kind that will get him in the 4-10 range against a good lineup of sprinters. And since he climbs so poorly, any route that bleeds off the sprinters who can't climb well will also likely take him out too.

He'll get some ITT results... and he might win some sprints in lesser events. Perhaps he'll be able to handle cobbled races without many hills and do something there. But that's a very limited set of major races that he'll contend in. The WC ITT. Perhaps P-N or G-W one day. GT time trials. And that's about it. Flanders is too hilly for him. Important mass sprints are places he can possibly place but likely not win.

He needs to be able to get up some tougher hills to have a realistic shot of doing more then that.
 
JimmyFingers said:
My British list:

1 Mark Cavendish has won more races than any other British rider, inc the second to win WC.

2 Tom Simpson the first to win the WC, and had his career had not been cut short by rampant drug use would be number won. The most naturally talented British rider of all time

3 Bradley Wiggins
4 Robert Millar
5 Barry Hoban
6 Chris Boardman
7 Graeme Obree
8 Brian Robinson
9 Micheal Wright
10 George Mills

Cav simply has to be number 1, for his plamares, his likely future palmares and the fact he is already regarded by many as the finest road sprinter of all time.

Obree counts, right? Granted his road career was rather short



Oh yeah Obree counts:) But, I think from a European RR point of view, I would have included Malcolm Elliott in there instead.
 
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It's all about the math...

1. MERCKX, Eddy (5x TOUR; 5x GIRO; 1x VUELTA; 3x WC; 7x MSR; 5x LBL; 3x PR; 3x PN; 2x RVV; 2x GDL; 2x AGR; 1x TDS; 1x ROM; 1x DL; 1x CATAL; 3x GW; 3x FW; 3x GREEN; 2x OHV; 2x KOM; 1x SS; 1x RHT; 1x PIEM; 1x PB; 1x GPN; 1x EMIL; 34x TDFSTAGE; 24x GIROSTAGE)

2. DE VLAEMINCK, Roger (6x TA; 4x PR; 3x MSR; 2x GDL; 1x ZUR; 1x TDS; 1x RVV; 1x LBL; 2x LAZ; 1x FW; 1x 4DUNK; 2x OHV; 2x MTO; 1x VEN; 1x SS; 1x PIEM; 1x PB; 1x EMIL; 1x E3H; 1x TDFSTAGE; 22x GIROSTAGE)

3. VAN LOOY, Rik (2x WC; 3x PR; 2x RVV; 2x PT; 1x MSR; 1x LBL; 1x GDL; 3x GW; 1x FW; 4x E3H; 2x SS; 2x PB; 1x GREEN; 7x TDFSTAGE; 12x GIROSTAGE)

4. MAERTENS, Freddy (1x VUELTA; 2x WC; 1x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x PN; 1x CATAL; 1x AGR; 4x 4DUNK; 2x GW; 3x GREEN; 2x OHV; 1x SS; 1x RHT; 1x PB; 1x GPN; 1x E3H; 16x TDFSTAGE; 7x GIROSTAGE)

5. MUSEEUW, Johan (1x WC; 3x RVV; 3x PR; 2x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x AGR; 2x 4DUNK; 1x HEW; 1x 3DPK; 2x OHV; 2x E3H; 2x TDFSTAGE)

6. VAN SPRINGEL, Herman (1x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x GDL; 7x BP; 1x GW; 2x GPN; 1x OHV; 1x GREEN; 1x E3H; 5x TDFSTAGE)

7. BOONEN, Tom (1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV; 3x GW; 5x E3H; 2x SS; 1x PB; 1x GREEN; 6x TDFSTAGE)

8. GODEFROOT, Walter (2x ZUR; 2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL; 2x BP; 1x GW; 1x 4DUNK; 1x SS; 1x RHT; 1x GREEN; 10x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)

9. VAN IMPE, Lucien (1x TOUR; 6x KOM; 9x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)

10. VAN STEENBERGEN, Rik (3x WC; 2x RVV; 2x PR; 1x MSR; 1x PB; 4x TDFSTAGE; 15x GIROSTAGE)

11. SCHOTTE, Briek (2x WC; 2x RVV; 2x PT; 2x GW; 2x PB; 1x SS; 1x TDFSTAGE)

12. DE BRUYNE, Fred (3x LBL; 2x PN; 1x RVV; 1x PT; 1x PR; 1x MSR; 6x TDFSTAGE)

13. VERBEECK, Frans (1x AGR; 1x FW; 2x OHV; 1x SS; 1x E3H)

14. GILBERT, Philippe (1x WC; 2x PT; 2x GDL; 2x AGR; 1x LBL; 1x FW; 1x CSS; 2x PIEM; 2x OHV; 1x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)

15. VANDERAERDEN, Eric (1x RVV; 1x PR; 5x 3DPK; 1x GW; 1x PB; 1x GREEN; 1x E3H; 5x TDFSTAGE)
 
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il_fiammingo said:
It's all about the math...

1. MERCKX, Eddy (5x TOUR; 5x GIRO; 1x VUELTA; 3x WC; 7x MSR; 5x LBL; 3x PR; 3x PN; 2x RVV; 2x GDL; 2x AGR; 1x TDS; 1x ROM; 1x DL; 1x CATAL; 3x GW; 3x FW; 3x GREEN; 2x OHV; 2x KOM; 1x SS; 1x RHT; 1x PIEM; 1x PB; 1x GPN; 1x EMIL; 34x TDFSTAGE; 24x GIROSTAGE)

2. DE VLAEMINCK, Roger (6x TA; 4x PR; 3x MSR; 2x GDL; 1x ZUR; 1x TDS; 1x RVV; 1x LBL; 2x LAZ; 1x FW; 1x 4DUNK; 2x OHV; 2x MTO; 1x VEN; 1x SS; 1x PIEM; 1x PB; 1x EMIL; 1x E3H; 1x TDFSTAGE; 22x GIROSTAGE)

3. VAN LOOY, Rik (2x WC; 3x PR; 2x RVV; 2x PT; 1x MSR; 1x LBL; 1x GDL; 3x GW; 1x FW; 4x E3H; 2x SS; 2x PB; 1x GREEN; 7x TDFSTAGE; 12x GIROSTAGE)

4. MAERTENS, Freddy (1x VUELTA; 2x WC; 1x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x PN; 1x CATAL; 1x AGR; 4x 4DUNK; 2x GW; 3x GREEN; 2x OHV; 1x SS; 1x RHT; 1x PB; 1x GPN; 1x E3H; 16x TDFSTAGE; 7x GIROSTAGE)

5. MUSEEUW, Johan (1x WC; 3x RVV; 3x PR; 2x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x AGR; 2x 4DUNK; 1x HEW; 1x 3DPK; 2x OHV; 2x E3H; 2x TDFSTAGE)

6. VAN SPRINGEL, Herman (1x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x GDL; 7x BP; 1x GW; 2x GPN; 1x OHV; 1x GREEN; 1x E3H; 5x TDFSTAGE)

7. BOONEN, Tom (1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV; 3x GW; 5x E3H; 2x SS; 1x PB; 1x GREEN; 6x TDFSTAGE)

8. GODEFROOT, Walter (2x ZUR; 2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL; 2x BP; 1x GW; 1x 4DUNK; 1x SS; 1x RHT; 1x GREEN; 10x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)

9. VAN IMPE, Lucien (1x TOUR; 6x KOM; 9x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)

10. VAN STEENBERGEN, Rik (3x WC; 2x RVV; 2x PR; 1x MSR; 1x PB; 4x TDFSTAGE; 15x GIROSTAGE)

11. SCHOTTE, Briek (2x WC; 2x RVV; 2x PT; 2x GW; 2x PB; 1x SS; 1x TDFSTAGE)

12. DE BRUYNE, Fred (3x LBL; 2x PN; 1x RVV; 1x PT; 1x PR; 1x MSR; 6x TDFSTAGE)

13. VERBEECK, Frans (1x AGR; 1x FW; 2x OHV; 1x SS; 1x E3H)

14. GILBERT, Philippe (1x WC; 2x PT; 2x GDL; 2x AGR; 1x LBL; 1x FW; 1x CSS; 2x PIEM; 2x OHV; 1x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)

15. VANDERAERDEN, Eric (1x RVV; 1x PR; 5x 3DPK; 1x GW; 1x PB; 1x GREEN; 1x E3H; 5x TDFSTAGE)
You count Vierdaagse van Duinkerke for Museeuw, but not Tour of Qatar. Vierdaagse van Duinkerke lost most of its prestige in the '80s and '90s.

I don't think anyone really cares about HEW Cyclassics. Also AGR had a different finish back then, Museeuw would've never won it on the current route.

You're also forgetting to count Vuelta stages. Philbert won 4 of them for example. For a classics specialist I would argue it's more prestigious to win a Vuelta stage than a Giro stage. Giro rarely attracts the best classic specialists while the Vuelta has most of them these days.

Also Paris-Tours was a World Cup event back in Museeuw's day. It's sadly just a 2.HC race nowadays. I hope it becomes WT again, but with the UCI and ASO you never know...

And I'm still figuring out how according to your "math" Frank Verbeeck finishes higher than Gilbert who won better races.
 
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El Pistolero said:
You count Vierdaagse van Duinkerke for Museeuw, but not Tour of Qatar. Vierdaagse van Duinkerke lost most of its prestige in the '80s and '90s.

I don't think anyone really cares about HEW Cyclassics. Also AGR had a different finish back then, Museeuw would've never won it on the current route.

You're also forgetting to count Vuelta stages. Philbert won 4 of them for example. For a classics specialist I would argue it's more prestigious to win a Vuelta stage than a Giro stage. Giro rarely attracts the best classic specialists while the Vuelta has most of them these days.

Also Paris-Tours was a World Cup event back in Museeuw's day. It's sadly just a 2.HC race nowadays. I hope it becomes WT again, but with the UCI and ASO you never know...

And I'm still figuring out how according to your "math" Frank Verbeeck finishes higher than Gilbert who won better races.
The reason I took Dunkirk into account is because it has proven it's historical value (exists since 1955, many great winners). Qatar has not (yet). Qatar only became a HC race this year and still wears the tag "preparation for the classics". I certainly don't agree on Dunkirk losing its prestige during the 80-90's. Museeuw, Roche, Hinault, Mottet show the opposite IMO.

Adding the Vuelta stages is certainly on my list but I don't think this will change a lot.

Verbeeck slightly precedes Gilbert (2400 vs 2345pts) because his numerous 2nd and 3rd places compensate the wins of Gilbert. Verbeeck has a large "Michael Boogerd factor". To give you some examples: 4 podiums @ LBL; 5 @ Frankfurt, 5 @ FlecheW.
 
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il_fiammingo said:
The reason I took Dunkirk into account is because it has proven it's historical value (exists since 1955, many great winners). Qatar has not (yet). Qatar only became a HC race this year and still wears the tag "preparation for the classics". I certainly don't agree on Dunkirk losing its prestige during the 80-90's. Museeuw, Roche, Hinault, Mottet show the opposite IMO.

Adding the Vuelta stages is certainly on my list but I don't think this will change a lot.

Verbeeck slightly precedes Gilbert (2400 vs 2345pts) because his numerous 2nd and 3rd places compensate the wins of Gilbert. Verbeeck has a large "Michael Boogerd factor". To give you some examples: 4 podiums @ LBL; 5 @ Frankfurt, 5 @ FlecheW.
During the '90s the Vierdaagse van Duinkerke was merely a race to start racing again after a break from the spring classics. Tour of Qatar on the other hand has always attracted some of the finest cyclists in the world. I still remember the fourth stage of this year's Tour of Qatar. Now that was a race.

I personally think winning is more important than getting second and third places. You wouldn't really say Boogerd was better than Gilbert either would you? :p

Paris-Brussels today shouldn't give as many points in your ranking for example than a Paris-Brussels of 40 years ago.
 
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il_fiammingo said:
14. GILBERT, Philippe (1x WC; 2x PT; 2x GDL; 2x AGR; 1x LBL; 1x FW; 1x CSS; 2x PIEM; 2x OHV; 1x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)

15. VANDERAERDEN, Eric (1x RVV; 1x PR; 5x 3DPK; 1x GW; 1x PB; 1x GREEN; 1x E3H; 5x TDFSTAGE)
Seen them both race and they are incomparable. Vanderaerden was class, his whole carreer, not just one year. Maths don't always add up, you know. But good you took Eric up in your list!
 
Echoes said:
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My Belgian list:

Eddy Merckx (...)
Roger De Vlaeminck (consistent and versatile)
Rik Van Looy (a bit less versatile than De Vlaeminck but great attacking rider)
Herman Van Springel (very underrated, versatile and consistent)
Rik Van Steenbergen (more talented than above mentioned riders but rode only for the money. A big waste)
Walter Godefroot (very fast and consistent)
Louis Mottiat (the specialist of very long races, the best Walloon ever)
Frans Verbeeck (brave, laborious and loyal opponent to Merckx often lost but could benefit from the rivalry between Merckx and De Vlaeminck)
Freddy Maertens (very talented but too short a career probably because of doping)
Brik Schotte (brave rider, the last "Flandrien" and so strong)

I could add Raymond Impanis (record of finished Paris-Roubaix) or Frans Bonduel (the most consistent of the 1930's) or Patrick Sercu for the track.
il_fiammingo said:
Verbeeck above Maertens & Schotte?? Van Springel above Van Steenbergen??

How can you ever justify that? Verbeeck had a hard time winning races ("only" 2x Het Volk, Amstel, Fleche Wallonne, E3) and is defenitely not in the same leage as the other 9.

Echoes said:
Verbeeck had trouble to win races but he rode in a very strong era. He was always present in every races. Many good results in classics and he was not afraid to duel Merckx. The Flanders' from 1975 was awesome. I think he deserves a lot of credit.
il_fiammingo said:
Verbeeck slightly precedes Gilbert (2400 vs 2345pts) because his numerous 2nd and 3rd places compensate the wins of Gilbert. Verbeeck has a large "Michael Boogerd factor". To give you some examples: 4 podiums @ LBL]

Here below the FABULOUS Frans Verbeeck palmares (according to my stats):

10 Francfurt 1964 1
2 Francfurt 1965 1
9 Paris-Brussels 1965 2
2 Paris-Tours 1969 2
4 Union GP 1969 1
8 Flanders 1969 2
8 Liège-Bastogne 1969 2
9 Belgium 1969 1
10 Ghent-Ghent 1969 1
Ghent-Ghent 1970 3
2 Liège-Bastogne 1970 4
3 Overijse 1970 1
4 Flanders 1970 4
4 Francfurt 1970 1
5 Luxembourg 1970 1
6 Belgium 1970 1
6 Paris-Roubaix 1970 3
6 Arrow 1970 2
6 Amstel 1970 2
6 Paris-Tours 1970 2
8 Worlds 1970 2
9 Milan-Sanremo 1970 2
Amstel 1971 3
2 Arrow 1971 4
3 Liège-Bastogne 1971 4
3 Lombardia 1971 4
4 Belgium 1971 1
4 Midi-Libre 1971 1
6 GPE3 1971 1
6 Dunkirk 1971 1
6 Luxembourg 1971 1
6 Schelde GP 1971 1
7 Paris-Tours 1971 2
8 Worlds 1971 2
10 Wevelgem 1971 2
Ghent-Ghent 1972 3
3 Flanders 1972 4
4 Tirreno 1972 1
4 Milan-Sanremo 1972 4
4 Lombardy 1972 4
5 GPE3 1972 1
6 Union GP 1972 1
7 Amstel 1972 1
8 Worlds 1972 2
16 France 1972 3
2 Tirreno 1973 1
2 Wevelgem 1973 2
2 Amstel 1973 1
2 Liège-Bastogne 1973 4
2 Dunkirk 1973 1
2 Paris-Brussels 1973 2
3 Arrow 1973 4
3 Paris-Tours 1973 2
4 Union GP 1973 1
5 Brabant 1973 1
6 Milan-Sanremo 1973 2
6 Belgium 1973 1
6 Paris-Roubaix 1973 3
7 Flanders 1973 2
8 Dauphiné 1973 1
9 Ghent-Ghent 1973 1
9 Lombardy 1973 2
10 Francfurt 1973 1
Walloon Arrow 1974 9
2 Brabant 1974 1
2 Flanders 1974 4
2 Luxembourg 1974 1
3 GPE3 1974 1
3 Francfurt 1974 1
3 Zurich 1974 1
3 Midi-Libre 1974 1
4 Ghent-Ghent 1974 1
5 Lombardy 1974 4
6 Schelde GP 1974 1
6 Paris-Brussels 1974 2
6 Agostoni 1974 1
7 Paris-Tours 1974 2
8 Milan-Sanremo 1974 2
9 Tirreno 1974 1
10 Liège-Bastogne 1974 2
Tour of Luxembourg 1975 2
GPE3 1975 2
2 Flanders 1975 4
2 Wevelgem 1975 2
2 Arrow 1975 4
2 Francfurt 1975 1
2 Netherlands 1975 1
3 Belgium 1975 1
4 Liège-Bastogne 1975 4
4 Zurich 1975 1
4 Paris-Tours 1975 2
5 Ghent-Ghent 1975 1
5 Schelde GP 1975 1
5 Paris-Brussels 1975 2
6 Tirreno 1975 1
6 Brabant 1975 1
Tour of Luxembourg 1976 2
Schelde GP 1976 2
2 Arrow 1976 4
2 Francfurt 1976 1
2 Agostoni 1976 1
3 Brabant 1976 1
3 Wevelgem 1976 2
3 Liège-Bastogne 1976 4
4 Bordeaux-Paris 1976 1
5 Med Tour 1976 1
7 Paris-Brussels 1976 1
7 Lombardy 1976 2
8 Ghent-Ghent 1976 1
9 Amstel 1976 1
9 Flanders 1976 2
9 Zurich 1976 1
10 Belgium 1976 1
10 Paris-Roubaix 1976 3
Brabant Arrow 1977 2
3 Francfurt 1977 1
5 Med Tour 1977 1
6 Zurich 1977 1
7 Belgium 1977 1
7 Liège-Bastogne 1977 2
8 Flanders 1977 2
9 Arrow 1977 2
10 Paris-Nice 1977 2
Total 234



He was terrific! Definitely among my favourite past riders. So unlucky.

Merckx said "I could teach cycling to anybody but to Verbeeck." Always present and he lost ... always lost. But how consistent ! The guy who started cycling in the 60's and then stopped to resume his job as milkman before realizing he was better off cycling and resumes his career to gather an impressive series of high placing and wins too. His Flanders '75 "he was 5kmh too fast for us" lol. And also his Liège '73, when everybody thought he finally got one until the finish photo gave it to Merckx.

And then after his career he founded Vermarc, the textile factory manufactoring jerseys for many teams, and even in track & field.

A true legend. He deserves an awful lot of credit !!

 
Last anecdote on Frans Verbeeck. At the start of one season he was training at the French Riviera where he would win a handful of nice races like Cannes GP or Monaco GP. Once their was a heavy rain and folks from a hotel saw someone riding a bike out there and would have a laugh at this fool, until they realized it was Frans Verbeeck, then they were in awe. :eek:

A hard man like you no longer make any.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XT2KXxF1QE


My top10 from some traditional countries:

Italy:

1 Felice Gimondi (you read me!)
2 Fausto Coppi
3 Francesco Moser
4 Gino Bartali
5 Fiorenzo Magni
6 Giuseppe Saronni (don't like the guy, but still a champion)
7 Alfredo Binda
8 Franco Bitossi (so underrated)
9 Gianbattista Baronchelli
10 Costante Girardengo

France:

1 Bernard Hinault
2 Jacques Anquetil (I hate him but well..)
3 Raymond Poulidor
4 Louison Bobet
5 Laurent Fignon
6 Henri Pélissier
7 Charly Mottet
8 Octave Lapize
9 Louis Trousselier
10 Gustave Garrigou

Spain

1 Miguel Indurain (grrrr)
2 Miguel Poblet
3 Pedro Delgado
4 Marino Lejarreta (RIP nephew Iñaki :()
5 Federico Bahamontes
6 Luis Ocaña
7 Miguel-Maria Lasa
8 Joachim Rodriguez
9 Carlos Sastre
10 Francisco Galdos

Netherlands

1 Joop Zoetemelk
2 Hennie Kuiper (those who rank him lower, care to explain)
3 Jan Janssen
4 Jan Raas
5 Adrie van der Poel
6 Gerrie Knetemann
7 Johan van der Velde
8 Steven Rooks
9 Michael Boogerd ...
10 Wim van Est

Switzerland

1 Ferdi Kübler
2 Fabian Cancellara
3 Heiri Suter
4 Hugo Koblet
5 Oscar Egg
6 Pascal Richard ...
7 Michel Frederick
8 Rolf Graf
9 Beat Breu
10 Stefan Mutter

Germany (yes it is a traditional country, with loooong history)

1 Rudi Altig
2 Dietrich Thurau
3 Rolf Wolfshohl
4 Hans Junkermann
5 Rolf Golz
6 Steffen Wesemann
7 Josef Fischer
8 Gregor Braun
9 Ludwig Geyer
10 Klaus-Peter Thaler (OK that's because I'm a cyclocross fanatic, otherwise Röbl or Stöpl)

Luxembourg

1 Nicolas Frantz
2 François Faber
3 Charly Gaul
4 Andy Schleck
5 Kim Kirchen
6 Mathias Clemens
7 Jang Goldschmitt
8 Edy Schutz
9 Marcel Ernzer
10 Jean Majerus
 
Echoes said:
Didn't know him. Great Eastern champion apparently. What really happened in 1955?

Shame he couldn't mix it up with Westerners.
The sad lot of many great cyclists, being forgotten entirely. I mean, Szurkowski's greatest achievements were left off the list of justifications for picking him as the greatest Polish cyclist - four Peace Races, back when they meant something too, as opposed to when Wesemann eclipsed that record. Sure, guys from the time of the Wende could continue their career in the pros and we could see what they were made of (Uwe Ampler, Olaf Ludwig, Djamolidine Abdoujaparov, Lech Piasecki et al), but there's a whole bunch of riders from before those days whose contribution to the history of the sport is all but forgotten. A guy like Täve Schur, for example, should be on any self-respecting list of the top 10 German cyclists. A favourite of that type of mine is Sergey Sukhoruchenkov, perhaps the finest climber the Ostbloc produced, and a legit claim for #1 on the list of Russians, along with quite a few of the time.
 
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Last anecdote on Frans Verbeeck. At the start of one season he was training at the French Riviera where he would win a handful of nice races like Cannes GP or Monaco GP. Once their was a heavy rain and folks from a hotel saw someone riding a bike out there and would have a laugh at this fool, until they realized it was Frans Verbeeck, then they were in awe. :eek:

A hard man like you no longer make any.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XT2KXxF1QE


My top10 from some traditional countries:

Italy:

1 Felice Gimondi (you read me!)
2 Fausto Coppi
3 Francesco Moser
4 Gino Bartali
5 Fiorenzo Magni
6 Giuseppe Saronni (don't like the guy, but still a champion)
7 Alfredo Binda
8 Franco Bitossi (so underrated)
9 Gianbattista Baronchelli
10 Costante Girardengo

France:

1 Bernard Hinault
2 Jacques Anquetil (I hate him but well..)
3 Raymond Poulidor
4 Louison Bobet
5 Laurent Fignon
6 Henri Pélissier
7 Charly Mottet
8 Octave Lapize
9 Louis Trousselier
10 Gustave Garrigou

Spain

1 Miguel Indurain (grrrr)
2 Miguel Poblet
3 Pedro Delgado
4 Marino Lejarreta (RIP nephew Iñaki :()
5 Federico Bahamontes
6 Luis Ocaña
7 Miguel-Maria Lasa
8 Joachim Rodriguez
9 Carlos Sastre
10 Francisco Galdos

Netherlands

1 Joop Zoetemelk
2 Hennie Kuiper (those who rank him lower, care to explain)
3 Jan Janssen
4 Jan Raas
5 Adrie van der Poel
6 Gerrie Knetemann
7 Johan van der Velde
8 Steven Rooks
9 Michael Boogerd ...
10 Wim van Est

Switzerland

1 Ferdi Kübler
2 Fabian Cancellara
3 Heiri Suter
4 Hugo Koblet
5 Oscar Egg
6 Pascal Richard ...
7 Michel Frederick
8 Rolf Graf
9 Beat Breu
10 Stefan Mutter

Germany (yes it is a traditional country, with loooong history)

1 Rudi Altig
2 Dietrich Thurau
3 Rolf Wolfshohl
4 Hans Junkermann
5 Rolf Golz
6 Steffen Wesemann
7 Josef Fischer
8 Gregor Braun
9 Ludwig Geyer
10 Klaus-Peter Thaler (OK that's because I'm a cyclocross fanatic, otherwise Röbl or Stöpl)

Luxembourg

1 Nicolas Frantz
2 François Faber
3 Charly Gaul
4 Andy Schleck
5 Kim Kirchen
6 Mathias Clemens
7 Jang Goldschmitt
8 Edy Schutz
9 Marcel Ernzer
10 Jean Majerus
echoes,
gimondi better than coppi, francesco moser better than bartali, you don't know anything about italian cycling.
bitossi i love him, but bottecchia is more important 2 tdf in three attempts, than probably killed by fascists while training.
binda, please reread his palmares. no way saronni (i hate him , but still a champion)is superior to binda. no pantani, unbelievable ...

in spain lejarreta , i like him a lot, better than bahamontes and ocana, no way. no fuente , one of the greatest climber of history and galdos in?

holland, jan janssen second and hennie kuiper third.

in spain jrod in front of carlos sastre?

than , i don' t understand , also merckxs anquetil and others tested positive in their career, so why they are in and contador or pantani out?

pascal richard, same thing , if i correctly remember.....
 
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there are no World Tour class cyclist in Hungary, not even close, unfortunetly
but hope rides again: we have a continental half hungarian-half italian team called Utensilnord
some names: Kusztor Péter, Lovassy Krisztián, Palotai Péter, Cador Rida
and Gabriele Bosisio!!
 
Bálint Szeghalmi was at Lampre last year, but I don't think he was really up to the required level for the WT. It's a shame that Hungary doesn't have that level of cycling history, and quite strange.

I can name Antal Megyerdi (former winner of the Tour de Slovaquie) and János Juszkó as partially-notable Hungarian riders from the past though, thanks to participation in the Friedensfahrt. And the Palfy twins, who are notable not because of any achievements on the bike but because they are also second-tier racers in biathlon.
 
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England
In no particular order

reg harris
tom simpson
mark cavendish
barry hoban
beryl burton
brian robinson
tony doyle
bradley wiggins
hugh porter
chris boardman
 

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