Top 10 Cyclists from your country of all time

[Dazed and Confused]

High time to come to that circumstantially. Currently I see only 3 riders who can win something.


2. Kanstanstin Siutsou

Why can't he add value to say Argos or Cannondale as GT "contender"?

 

[airstream]

Why can't he add value to say Argos or Cannondale as GT "contender"?

Ambitions and pressure. Siutsou earns good money I think about 200-250k in Sky without excessive ambitions and disturbance. For the note, medium salary in Belarus is $300. In short, it is an eternal problem of riders from ex USSR.

I really don't cease to amaze how Menchov could break though that wall. Seemingly he was 5 times as strong as other spanish iBanesto guys at that date.

Say, Kiri is a great guy maybe the most underrated rider in the peloton. If he had had a special behind-the-scenes assistance that spaniards or italians have, he would easily have hit top-5 in any GT. But who needs it? No one..

 

[profff]

1. Cav
2. Wiggo
3. Tom Simpson
4. Froome
5. Robert Millar
6. Barry Hoban
7. Dave Millar
8. Boardman
9. Michael Wright
10. Sean Yates

i cannot believe cav ahead of wiggo (olympic gold medals...) and froome ahead of millar.
may be simpson 2 after wiggo and cav 3 ( for the moment, maybe at the end of cav's career things will change..)

 

[Libertine Seguros]

High time to come to that circumstantially. Currently I see only 3 riders who can win something.

1. Vasil' Kiriyenka (official nickname in Belarus is a little terminator)
2. Kanstanstin Siutsou, the most talented domestic rider no doubt for me. To my great regret, he is the brightest example of how belarussian quiet down if they get good money in Europe. A general Siutsou's level is just insane. I keep my hope alive.
3 Jenek Hutarovich. It is a difficult case. According to Huta's coach, he is the laziest pupil for years so only fortuity can help him.

What's wrong with Aliaksandr Kushchynski and Branislau Samoilau?

There's Kanstantsin Klimiankou and Andrei Krasilnikau who spent 2012 in development programs as well (for Astana and Garmin respectively), don't know where they're headed though.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

i cannot believe cav ahead of wiggo (olympic gold medals...) and froome ahead of millar.
may be simpson 2 after wiggo and cav 3 ( for the moment, maybe at the end of cav's career things will change..)

Are we talking about road cycling? Or is track included?

 

[profff]

1. Coppi
2. Binda
3. Bartali
4. Moser
5. Pantani
6. Magni
7. Bugno
8. Cipollini
9. Adorni
10. Bartoli

i think you forgot bottecchia ( 2 tour de france, maillot jaune from first to last stage in 1924)and girardengo. very difficult to choose between binda and bartali.
for me pantani better than moser, magni better than moser.
saronni, even if i hate him, honorable mention with nencini and baldini
but, most incredible thing, you did not mention gimondi. felice is in the top 5 , winner of the three gt, world champion, winner of paris roubaix and much more against eddy...
so my list:
1 coppi
2 bartali
3 binda
4 gimondi
5 magni
6 pantani
7 moser
8 bottecchia
9 girardengo
10 bettini-bartoli

honorable mentions adorni, cipo, di paco, motta, saronni, nencini, baldini

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Ambitions and pressure. Siutsou earns good money I think about 200-250k in Sky without excessive ambitions and disturbance. For the note, medium salary in Belarus is $300. In short, it is an eternal problem of riders from ex USSR.

I really don't cease to amaze how Menchov could break though that wall. Seemingly he was 5 times as strong as other spanish iBanesto guys at that date.

Say, Kiri is a great guy maybe the most underrated rider in the peloton. If he had had a special behind-the-scenes assistance that spaniards or italians have, he would easily have hit top-5 in any GT. But who needs it? No one..

A rider like Leipheimer probably makes 5 times that of Siutsou, but I can sort of understand the barrier involved for some of these guys. Hopefully it will change with time.

 

[Echoes]

Some ideas for non-traditional countries:

USA

1 Greg LeMond
2 Andy Hampsten
3 Charley Miller (Zimmermann and Taylor were clowns compared to him)
4 Jonathan Boyer
5 Ron Kiefel
6 Eric Heiden (not the greatest cyclist but the greatest American athlete who's ever been a cyclist)
7 Joe Magnani
8 Taylor Phinney
9 Mike Neel
10 Saul Raisin (that's a subjective vote for a very nice guy )

Australia

1 Phil Anderson
2 Cadel Evans
3 Stuart O'Grady
4 Sir Hubert Opperman
5 Danny Clark
6 Simon Gerrans
7 Graeme Gilmore
8 Alan Peiper
9 Bradley McGee
10 Robbie McEwen

Great Britain

1 Robert Millar
2 Tom Simpson
3 Barry Hoban
4 Bradley Wiggins
5 Max Sciandri
6 Hugh Porter
7 Michael Wright
8 Mark Cavendish …
9 Brian Robinson
10 Leslie West

Sweden

1 Gösta Pettersson
2 Tommy Prim
3 Sven Ake Nilsson
4 Berndt Johansson
5 Thomas Pettersson
6 Magnus Backstedt
7 Thomas Löfkvist
8 Gustaf Erik Larsson
9 Alf Segersäll
10 Fredrik Kessiakoff

Czech Republic

1 Roman Kreuziger jr (waiting for a confirmation of Berta's affidavits)
2 Zdenek Stybar
3 Milos Fisera (tremendous cyclocrosser in the 70's & 80's; definitely a forerunner to Styby)
4 Radomir Simunek sr
5 Roman Kreuziger sr
6 Jan Svorada
7 Jiri Daler (Olympic Pursuit champion and then involved in the crash in Blois '69)
8 Radomir Simunek jr
9 Frantisek Rabon
10 Ernst Franz (actually a Bohemian, documentate about him, great story)

Norway

1 Knut Knudsen (no way in hell can Hushovd be compared to this all time great TTist)
2 Edvald Boasson Hagen (potentially a top palmares)
3 Thor Hushovd
4 Dag Erik Pedersen
5 Jostein Wilmann (respect to the guy who finished dead last of the epic Liège '80)
6 Kurt Asle Arvesen
7 Dag Otto Lauritzen
8 Atle Pedersen
9 Lars-Peter Nordhaug
10 Atle Kvalsvoll (usually overrated)

Denmark

1 Ole Ritter
2 Leif Mortensen
3 Charles Meyer (the guy who defied William Cody, lol)
4 Hans-Erik Oersted
5 Kim Andersen
6 Matti Breschel
7 Jorgen Marcussen
8 Chris Anker Sörensen
9 Palle Lykke Jensen
10 Henrik Djernis

New-Zealand

1 Eric McKenzie
2 Paul Jesson
3 Bruce Biddle (how come he was so forgotten)
4 Greg Henderson
5 Julian Dean
6 Jesse Sergent
7 Harry Watson
8 Haydon Roulston
9 Timothy Gudsell
10 Alexander Revell

Canada

1 Steve Bauer
2 Ryder Hesjedal
3 David Veilleux
4 Dominique Rollin
5 Svein Tuft
6 William Peden
7 Gordon Fraser
8 Will Routley
9 Ron Hayman
10 Geoff Kabush


Columbia

1 Martin Emilio "Cochise" Rodriguez Gutierrez
2 Luis Herrera
3 Fabio Parra
4 Giovanni Jimenez
5 Rafael Niño
6 Rigoberto Uran
7 Alfonso Florez Ortiz
8 Patrocinio Jimenez
9 Martin Ramirez
10 Oscar de J Vargas

Poland

1 Jean Stablinski
2 Jean Graczyk
3 Ryszard Szurkowski
4 Lech Piasecki
5 Édouard Klapinski
6 Michal Kwiatkowski
7 Czeslaw Lang
8 César Marcellak
9 Jaroslav Marycz
10 Mariusz Gil

 

[The Hitch]

1 Ole Ritter
2 Leif Mortensen
3 Charles Meyer (the guy who defied William Cody, lol)
4 Hans-Erik Oersted
5 Kim Andersen
6 Matti Breschel
7 Jorgen Marcussen
8 Chris Anker Sörensen
9 Palle Lykke Jensen
10 Henrik Djernis


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Is number 5 the same guy who mentors the Schlecks and was caught doping in his career?

 

[Cookster15]

Australia

1 Cadel Evans
2 Phil Anderson
3 Stuart O'Grady
4 Sir Hubert Opperman
5 Danny Clark
6 Simon Gerrans
7 Graeme Gilmore
8 Alan Peiper
9 Bradley McGee
10 Robbie McEwen

Phil was superb, a true ambassador and pioneer for Aussie and Anglo cycling, but you can't beat 1 TDF and 1 WT. For this reason Cadel must go to #1.

 

[profff]

Australia

1 Cadel Evans
2 Phil Anderson
3 Stuart O'Grady
4 Sir Hubert Opperman
5 Danny Clark
6 Simon Gerrans
7 Graeme Gilmore
8 Alan Peiper
9 Bradley McGee
10 Robbie McEwen

Phil was superb, a true ambassador and pioneer for Aussie and Anglo cycling, but you can't beat 1 TDF and 1 WT. For this reason Cadel must go to #1.

I completely agree with you

 

[profff]

Some ideas for non-traditional countries:



Poland

1 Jean Stablinski
2 Jean Graczyk
3 Ryszard Szurkowski
4 Lech Piasecki
5 Édouard Klapinski
6 Michal Kwiatkowski
7 Czeslaw Lang
8 César Marcellak
9 Jaroslav Marycz
10 Mariusz Gil

no zenon jaskula ?

 

[trevim]

Is number 5 the same guy who mentors the Schlecks and was caught doping in his career?

On the same list where Lance Armstrong doesn't appear because he did that D thing?
Oh the irony killed me

 

[The Hitch]

On the same list where Lance Armstrong doesn't appear because he did that D thing?
Oh the irony killed me

Yeah and riis doesn't make the Danish list. Kim andersen does though.

 

[Netserk]

On the same list where Lance Armstrong doesn't appear because he did that D thing?
Oh the irony killed me

And Rolf Sørensen isn't mentioned either, yet Wiggins is

 

[Echoes]

Is number 5 the same guy who mentors the Schlecks and was caught doping in his career?

Doesn't matter.

no zenon jaskula ?

Why not Gwyasdowski then?

The 90's, 90's !!!! Decency!


And I insist:

Cadel Evans

9 Olympics MTB 1996 1
7 Olympics MTB 2000 1
9 Emily 2001 1
10 Paris Nice 2002 2
6 Basque Country 2002 1
3 Romandy 2002 2
14 Giro 2002 3
4 Milan Turin 2004 1
4 Lombardy 2004 4
8 Paris-Nice 2005 2
9 Arrow 2005 2
5 Li&#232]Total 178[/B]


Phil Anderson

10 Paris-Tours 1980 2
Tour de l'Aude 1981 2
St Paris-Nice 1981 1
7 Amstel 1981 1
10 France 1981 6
St France 1982 3
4 Aude 1982 1
5 France 1982 8
5 Amstel 1982 1
6 Francfurt 1982 1
7 Wevelgem 1982 2
7 Dauphiné 1982 1
9 Arrow 1982 2
Amstel 1983 3
Tour de l'Aude 1983 2
2 Romandy 1983 2
4 Liège Bastogne 1983 4
6 Dauphiné 1983 1
8 Lombardy 1983 2
8 Midi-Pyrénées 1983 1
9 Worlds 1983 2
9 France 1983 6
9 Flanders 1983 2
10 Francfurt 1983 1
Zurich 1984 3
Francfurt 1984 2
Catalan Week 1984 3
2 Liège-Bastogne 1984 4
5 Switzerland 1984 2
5 Paris-Tours 1984 2
5 Paris-Nice 1984 4
5 Union GP 1984 1
7 Paris-Brussels 1984 1
7 Dauphiné 1984 1
9 Arrow 1984 2
10 France 1984 6
Tour of Switzerland 1985 4
Dauphiné libéré 1985 4
Francfurt 1985 2
Med Tour 1985 2
GPE3 1985 2
2 Flanders 1985 4
2 Wevelgem 1985 2
2 Belgium 1985 1
2 Catalan Week 1985 1
4 Paris-Nice 1985 4
4 Brabant Arrow 1985 1
5 France 1985 8
5 Amstel 1985 1
7 Liège Bastogne 1985 2
Paris-Tours 1986 6
3 Lombardy 1986 4
4 Piedmont 1986 1
Milan-Turin 1987 2
6 Amstel 1987 1
7 Giro 1987 4
9 Francfurt 1987 1
10 Wevelgem 1987 2
2 Flanders 1988 4
2 Milan-Turin 1988 1
6 Zurich 1988 1
7 Tirreno 1988 1
9 Liège Bastogne 1988 2
10 Luxermbourg 1988 1
Tour of Romandy 1989 4
St Giro 1989 2
3 Liège-Bastogne 1989 4
6 GPE3 1989 1
10 Pantalica 1989 1
13 Giro 1989 3
St Giro 1990 2
2 Paris-Tours 1990 2
10 Amstel 1990 2
Med Tour 1991 2
St France 1991 3
2 GPE3 1991 1
7 Milan-Sanremo 1991 2
7 Zurich 1991 1
3 Paris-Brussels 1992 1
6 Paris-Tours 1992 2
7 Luxembourg 1993 1
9 Luxembourg 1994 1
Total 192


1 Phil Anderson
2 Cadel Evans

I don't think it'll change.


Edit: And Anderson was definitely NOT a pioneer. There were far many other Aussie cyclists before him, and of course Anglos.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Czech Republic

1 Roman Kreuziger jr (waiting for a confirmation of Berta's affidavits)
2 Zdenek Stybar
3 Milos Fisera (tremendous cyclocrosser in the 70's & 80's; definitely a forerunner to Styby)
4 Radomir Simunek sr
5 Roman Kreuziger sr
6 Jan Svorada
7 Jiri Daler (Olympic Pursuit champion and then involved in the crash in Blois '69)
8 Radomir Simunek jr
9 Frantisek Rabon
10 Ernst Franz (actually a Bohemian, documentate about him, great story)

Needs Jan Veselý imo.

 

[elapid]

1 Phil Anderson
2 Cadel Evans

I don't think it'll change.

Edit: And Anderson was definitely NOT a pioneer. There were far many other Aussie cyclists before him, and of course Anglos.

It's not only about the number of wins. Agree with Cookster and proff, hard to look past the first Australian winner of both the TdF and WC. While there may have been other pioneers, Phil Anderson is generally recognized as the pioneer and inspiration for most of the current and recently retired Australian riders so I definitely think you are selling him short in your assessment.

 

[profff]

+1
imho, the quality of wins is more important than the number
of wins
wc and tdf are enough to make cadel #1.
and he did not win only this to races.

phil anderson I like him very much, but definitely cadel's palmares is more qualitative.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

i cannot believe cav ahead of wiggo (olympic gold medals...)

Wiggo did something amazing, but something which somebody does every year - win Le Tour. Cav, during the last 5 years, has pretty much done something that we've never seen anybody do, ever. I'd rate Cav as comfortably Britain's greatest cyclist.

 

[The Hitch]

Wiggo did something amazing, but something which somebody does every year - win Le Tour. Cav, during the last 5 years, has pretty much done something that we've never seen anybody do, ever. I'd rate Cav as comfortably Britain's greatest cyclist.

I agree in that cavs name will ring throughout history as the greatest sprinter ever. Also agree that wiggins or any rider from a non traditional country don't deserve + points just because they are the first person from his country to win.

You win the event or you don't.

 

[burning]

I agree in that cavs name will ring throughout history as the greatest sprinter ever. Also agree that wiggins or any rider from a non traditional country don't deserve + points just because they are the first person from his country to win.

You win the event or you don't.

If you consider Maertens as a sprinter, he's pretty much untouchable imo

 

[greenedge]

Ireland

1: Sean Kelly
2: Stephen Roche
3: Nicolas Roche
4: Dan Martin
5: Shay Elliot
6: Philip Deignan

Dan Martin in my view is better, than N.Roche.

Also it must be hard to rule out (from 1st place) a Giro/TDF/WC winner in the same year but Kelly was a great cyclist.

 

[CobbleStoner]

Australia

1 Cadel Evans
2 Phil Anderson
3 Stuart O'Grady
4 Sir Hubert Opperman
5 Danny Clark
6 Simon Gerrans
7 Graeme Gilmore
8 Alan Peiper
9 Bradley McGee
10 Robbie McEwen

Phil was superb, a true ambassador and pioneer for Aussie and Anglo cycling, but you can't beat 1 TDF and 1 WT. For this reason Cadel must go to #1.

Phil Anderson should be on the top of that list, he never cried on a bike, and he did more for Aussie cycling, a class act on and of the bike, no temper tantrums or throwing water bottles at people.

here is my list:
1. Greg LeMond
2. John Howard
3. Andy Hampsten
4. Alexi Grewal
5. Jonathon Boyer
6. Davis Phinney
7. Thurlow Rodgers
8. Mark Whitehead
9. Deborah Schumway
10. Lance Armstrong (relegated to the back, but still an amazing rider that out trained everybody))

 

[FF'Wilco]

Poland

1 Jean Stablinski
2 Jean Graczyk
3 Ryszard Szurkowski
4 Lech Piasecki
5 Édouard Klapinski
6 Michal Kwiatkowski
7 Czeslaw Lang
8 César Marcellak
9 Jaroslav Marycz
10 Mariusz Gil

Stablinski, Graczyk or Klabiński were French with Polish origins.

Here's my list:

1. Ryszard Szurkowski - triple world champion amateurs (road race & team time trial 1973, team time trial 1975), twice silver in Olympics (team time trial 1972, 1976)

2. Czesław Lang - silver in Olympics (road race 1980), twice bronze in WC amateurs (team time trial 1977, 1979), Giro stage winner (team time trial)

3. Stanisław Szozda - silver in WC amateurs (1973), world champion amateurs (team time trial 1973, 1975), twice bronze in WC amateurs (team time trial 1971, 1977), twice silver in Olympics (team time trial 1972, 1976)

4. Lech Piasecki - world champion amateurs (road race 1985), five stage wins in Giro, two days in Yellows Jersey

5. Tadeusz Mytnik - world champion amateurs (time time trial 1973, 1975), silver in Olympics (team time trial 1976), bronze WC amateurs (team time trial 1977)

6. Joachim Halupczok - world champion amateurs (road race 1989), silver in world championships (team time trial 1989), silver in Olympics (team time trial 1988)

7. Zenon Jaskuła - 3rd in Tour de France 1993 with stage win, silver in Olympics (team time trial 1988), silver in WC amateurs (team time trial 1989)

8. Mieczysław Nowicki - world champion amateurs (team time trial 1975), silver in Olympics (team time trial 1976), bronze in Olympics (road race 1976), bronze in WC amateurs (team time trial 1977)

9. Zbigniew Spruch - silver in WC (road race 2001), 3rd in Mediolan San Remo (1999), 2nd Gent Wevelgem (1999), 3rd in Paris Tours (1994)

10. Piotr Wadecki - 7th in Olympics (road race 2000), 2nd Tour de Suisee (2002), stage win and mountain jersey in Paris Nice (2001)