Top 10 Most Reckless Dopers

[Vino attacks everyone]

everyone love Mulegg ^^ still remember Bjoerndalen and the other Norwegians shaking at their head and giving up following (same with the russians for that matter)

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Elofsson tried to follow, which he now says was the stupidest thing he ever did. Many (including Elofsson himself) believe that that practically ended his career.

 

[Escarabajo]

The Hog
The Pirate (RIP)
The Texan
The Cobra
The Cannibal
Mr 60%
Frigo
And last but not leat: VDB (RIP)

 

[The Hitch]

Vino maybe? I mean the guy gets injured in the Tour then wins a time trial and a mountain stage.

Rominger seems like one of the guys, who came in with the EPO era, and at a time when testing was weaker, maybe he was just doing it as much as anybody.

Is that the guy that (allegedly) had a few swigs of wine and fell asleep under a tree? A great Tour story, and like all the great Tour stories, probably made up.
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Well there is a picture of him by a tree.

 

[thehog]

I'm surprised no one - not even the Hog! - has mentioned the Hog himself, Johan Bruyneel. Then, of course, there's Fausto Coppi. Ever since his death it's been strongly rumored that he died not of malaria but of a cocaine overdose. Apparently the guy was a total coke head.

PS. Apologies for having to mention Coppi in the same post as Bruyneel, who isn't worthy of washing Coppi's chamois.

You're right! Hogs revine momet was where his name Hog came from. No doubt Hog was still partaking when he met his stripper wife.

He's still a legend in some circles in Belguim for the amount of *** he was able to snort. Anything and everything.

 

[Altitude]

What did Herve do that made him so reckless? Not familiar with any stories about him.

 

[Walkman]

Elofsson tried to follow, which he now says was the stupidest thing he ever did. Many (including Elofsson himself) believe that that practically ended his career.

Elofsson tried to follow, which he now says was the stupidest thing he ever did. Many (including Elofsson himself) believe that that practically ended his career.

That is actually totally incorrect. Elofsson have never said that his career ended because of that particular race.

He has said that his career ended because of all the dope in the sport aroud the time he was active. He had to train so hard to cope with all the dopers that he destroyed his body. The cell membrane in his body stated leaking fluid because of all the training and he never really recovered from that. Even today he can't push himself too hard while training without feeling the effect of this. It's all in a book about swedish cross country skiers.

Such a tragic story. Perhaps the greatest cross country skier ever, still, in a world of dope, not even that will get you out of harms way.

 

[Nederick]

This is interesting. I thought that blood boost doping was all about facilitating a larger quantity of higher intensity training with better recovery. Is the proposition here that blood boost (and other) doping also protects the body (cell membrane leakage) from damage?

 

[Suedehead]

No blood doping makes you go faster. To handle a heavier training load you do anabolic steroids and growth hormones among other things. Trying to reach power/endurance levels of dopers clean will hurt your body, you will get overtrained. That's what happened to Elofsson.

 

[Walkman]

No blood doping makes you go faster. To handle a heavier training load you do anabolic steroids and growth hormones among other things. Trying to reach power/endurance levels of dopers clean will hurt your body, you will get overtrained. That's what happened to Elofsson.

I think this pretty much sums it up. Elofsson said that he started to feel that his body couldn't really handle it but kept pushing it since he wanted to be the best so badly. This was his biggest misstake according to himself. He also said he used the "Fight-or-flight" syndrome to often while competing.

 

[Le breton]

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Then, of course, there's Fausto Coppi. Ever since his death it's been strongly rumored that he died not of malaria but of a cocaine overdose.

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Come on Maxiton, this is downright silly or ridiculous or ludicrous(or maybe I dont undestand your form of humour). If there is actually such a rumour anywhere, I could imagine that the totally inept Italian doctors who killed him could have started it. They had been too proud to admit their error in diagnostic and change his treatment when it was still time after being advised by the doctors who saved Geminiani.

Geminiani's doctors, after discovering that he had malaria called Coppi's doctors to inform them ( As part of a group of European pros both had done some races in Ivory Coast in december, just before getting sick, off-season).

PS : apparently it's not his Dr who propagated that story of POISONING with cocaine, according to wikipedia, but even so, Maxiton, you got the wikipedia story totally wrong
Death investigation
Memorial in the Pordoi PassIn January 2002 a man identified only as Giovanni, who lived in Burkina Faso until 1964, said Coppi died not of malaria but died of an overdose of cocaine. The newspaper Corriere dello Sport said Giovanni had his information from Angelo Bonazzi. Giovanni said: "It is Angelo who told me that Coppi had been killed. I was a supporter of Coppi, and you can imagine my state when he told me that Coppi had been poisoned in Fada Gourma, at the time of a reception organised by the head of the village. Angelo also told me that [Raphael] Géminiani was also present… Fausto's plate fell, they replaced it, and then…"[34]

The story has also been attributed to a 75-year-old Benedictine monk called Brother Adrien. He told Mino Caudullo of the Italian National Olympic Committee: "Coppi was killed with a potion mixed with grass. Here in Burkina Faso this awful phenomenon happens. People are still being killed like that." Coppi's doctor, Ettore Allegri, dismissed the story as "absolute drivel."[35][36]

A court in Tortona opened an investigation and asked toxicologists about exhuming Coppi's body to look for poison. A year later, without exhumation, the case was dismissed.[37]

 

[will10]

Elofsson tried to follow, which he now says was the stupidest thing he ever did. Many (including Elofsson himself) believe that that practically ended his career.

Watching a video of that race, Elofsson packed after one lap when Meuhlegg was miles in front - did Elofsson ever come out and say why he retired from that race?

 

[Ripper]

What did Herve do that made him so reckless? Not familiar with any stories about him.

I actually have only heard he was a brutal doper, but not the details. I would love to hear exactly what Herve did, so to speak.

 

[laziali]

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The Texan
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... Rominger seems like one of the guys, who came in with the EPO era, and at a time when testing was weaker, maybe he was just doing it as much as anybody. ...
[/IMG]

No guys, read my OP - the bit about what "reckless" means and cold, calculating mofo's like Lance not being in scope.

Lance, Alberto, Rominger etc all doped with the specific intent of cheating their way to victory without being caught - ie employing devious methods of cheating the controls.

Guys like VDB, Ricco and Pantani just didn't give a rat's @rse about getting caught and the consequences, which is what reckless is all about.

So the threads not about who is the biggest/most cynical/most successful doper, 'cause there's, I dunno, about a billion of those threads on here already ...

 

[Roninho]

No guys, read my OP - the bit about what "reckless" means and cold, calculating mofo's like Lance not being in scope.

Lance, Alberto, Rominger etc all doped with the specific intent of cheating their way to victory without being caught - ie employing devious methods of cheating the controls.

Guys like VDB, Ricco and Pantani just didn't give a rat's @rse about getting caught and the consequences, which is what reckless is all about.

So the threads not about who is the biggest/most cynical/most successful doper, 'cause there's, I dunno, about a billion of those threads on here already ...

You make it sound as if Ricco, vdB and Pantani didn't care about getting caught. Imo they were pretty aware of what the consequenses were of getting caught and took actions to stop them getting caught (for example Pantani using the blood measurment devices to calculate his %).
So i don't agree with that.

 

[Nastyy]

Laurent Roux springs to mind.

 

[Caruut]

You make it sound as if Ricco, vdB and Pantani didn't care about getting caught. Imo they were pretty aware of what the consequenses were of getting caught and took actions to stop them getting caught (for example Pantani using the blood measurment devices to calculate his %).
So i don't agree with that.

Given the way Pantani fell apart after getting caught, I agree with you on this one. He clearly thought he had protection, and when that failed to materialise, he couldn't take it. Riccò, on the other hand, seems not to be phased by the fact that he's getting caught. He fights it, yeah, but he doesn't seem to at as if he's been caught.

 

[laziali]

Given the way Pantani fell apart after getting caught, I agree with you on this one. He clearly thought he had protection, and when that failed to materialise, he couldn't take it. Riccò, on the other hand, seems not to be phased by the fact that he's getting caught. He fights it, yeah, but he doesn't seem to at as if he's been caught.

yup. And VDB was just operating in some sort of parallel universe where the normal rules didn't apply. A bit like Warnie, bless him.

 

[Dancing On The Pedals]

And NINE riders in the 90s who had to wake up in the middle of the night to stop themselves dying

What's the story here?

As for most reckless, in the time that I have been following cycling, Ricco by miles. Surprised no one has mention Landis - particularly after the Morzine stage.

I remember reading that part of the reason Gaul thrived in wet and cold conditions was because whatever he was taking worked better in those conditions, whereas in the heat, he suffered big time. Think it was Bahamontes who implied it in an interview.

 

[Roninho]

Given the way Pantani fell apart after getting caught, I agree with you on this one. He clearly thought he had protection, and when that failed to materialise, he couldn't take it. Riccò, on the other hand, seems not to be phased by the fact that he's getting caught. He fights it, yeah, but he doesn't seem to at as if he's been caught.

Obviously i'm not close to Ricco, but to me he looked like a kid that really really badly wanted to cycle again and had a very hard time dealing with the suspension. I cannot imagine him having not that much problem with being out of cycling. Imo that is for most suspended dopers, just look at the documentary on Dekker: a lot of uncertainty about his future and pain of not being able to do what you want to do. (Mind you, it's not that i feel sympathy for him doping, just that is what he looked like). To me this can be said for most dopers, except for the ones who really just want to get out and spill (some of the) beans (like Kohl).

As for the topic: who being the most reckless doper. I'm not sure Ricco is that more reckless then a bunch of other guys in the peleton, he just got caught. Sure storing blood & doing transfusions yourself is insane imo, but then again after hearing the stories by landis it isn't like Ricco was the only one doing this. Add in the negativity surrounding him with the previous suspension and his 'extravert character' and imo that is more of an explanation why people see him as one of the most reckless dopers imo.

 

[meat puppet]

What's the story here?

I'm interested as well. The stories about having to wake during the night are there and I do not doubt their credibility, but in some morbid sense I'd like to read a bit more.

More on topic: does Tom Simpson count here? I mean he actually did it and died on the bloody bike. Booze and amphetamines if I remember correctly.

 

[Cloxxki]

Someone wants to make the list. Incredible witnesses also spotted in this case.
http://diepresse.com/home/sport/meh...anne-Pumper?_vl_backlink=/home/sport/index.do

 

[just some guy]

Elofsson tried to follow, which he now says was the stupidest thing he ever did. Many (including Elofsson himself) believe that that practically ended his career.

The story is that that day damaged his heart muscle

 

[Swabian Lass]

Given the way Pantani fell apart after getting caught, I agree with you on this one. He clearly thought he had protection, and when that failed to materialise, he couldn't take it. Riccò, on the other hand, seems not to be phased by the fact that he's getting caught. He fights it, yeah, but he doesn't seem to at as if he's been caught.

I think that anybody who keeps blood bags in his kitchen fridge counts as reckless.

 

[Cloxxki]

I think that anybody who keeps blood bags in his kitchen fridge counts as reckless.

Then what about letting an incredible witness guard the fridge of your Girona home?