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I would be very surprised. Cycling just doesn't have money for legitimate research. Pay some guy a percentage of your win who is trying the stuff himself is more like it. (Hendershot, or low end jokers like Carmichael).
Remember that Sky is run by BC. Like USPS, the federation is in on it. UCI is definitely in on it. Also is very busy in the UK now and the UCI gets some of that action.
wendybnt said:
I would be very surprised. Cycling just doesn't have money for legitimate research. Pay some guy a percentage of your win who is trying the stuff himself is more like it. (Hendershot, or low end jokers like Carmichael).
Remember that Sky is run by BC. Like USPS, the federation is in on it. UCI is definitely in on it. Also is very busy in the UK now and the UCI gets some of that action.
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Good point...but governments do. The laboratory in Chatenay Malabry has been under funded for many years. They can't even find someone to run it right now! You'd think the French government would try to salvage the national treasure that the TdF is. I was so hopeful it would happen this year. If hotels are booked in advance, bug them. There are so many ways...DirtyWorks said:
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I would expect any team to keep its advantages close to its chest, whether legal or not.
I find it strange that one or two people here, like you, seem to think that all teams are equally advanced. I guess you are a recent watcher of the sport and didn't see Lemond turn up to a final stage TT with an aero helmet and lo-pro bike while his opponent rode round on a standard machine with pony tail flapping around and lost all his advantage plus 8 seconds.
Benotti69 said:wendybnt said:
As it has been for donkey's years. Sean Kelly talked about nutrition being important back in the 80s. Doping is but one part of the fabric of the sport. Improvements in other areas have always been monitored and searched fro by teams. How do you think we got to aerodynamic frames, wheels, TT bikes if they all purely relied on doping? Sky are only 5 years old. Teams have been doing the sky stuff for a long time before they started making PR of it.
wendybnt said:
Now, Wendy, Davey Brailsford denied that. You don't think he would lie now do you
I would expect any team to keep its advantages close to its chest, whether legal or not.
I find it strange that one or two people here, like you, seem to think that all teams are equally advanced. I guess you are a recent watcher of the sport and didn't see Lemond turn up to a final stage TT with an aero helmet and lo-pro bike while his opponent rode round on a standard machine with pony tail flapping around and lost all his advantage plus 8 seconds.
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Wendy, they are intrinsically linked, because they are the figleaf PR.
but I have written hear before, I think some marginal gains might in fact, be an inverted gain, a negative gain, a loss. a false economy.
here... the australian track team took their team pursuiters into a wind tunnel to determine which order and which riders should be in the TP. But the TP riders are in the wind for one quarter of the time, most of their time is recovering at a near threshold level for their max anaerobic efforts in the wind riding their lap. How do you measure how the 3 slipstream riders are managing their recovery and ability to smash their lap time? I think the old way, of the coaches determining which rider was suited to which position in the TP, was more advantageous. And having a stopwatch by the side of the track. That is the ultimate arbiter. It would be nice to know the flow dynamics of a team pursuit, and how the individual on the front is being slowed by his CdA.
I think this marginal gains palava, may take ones eyes off the prize. It is better to focus your attention on about the 3 variables that contribute to a minimum of 90% of your performance. And you dial dial dial dail in those variables and get them to a certain guaranteed 100% of their potential. If you take your eyes off those three variables that contribute the most to your performance, you will lose significantly more than your marginal gains offers. ofcourse, brailsford will say, this is a false dichotomy, we do both.
I say BS. I say give those other variables 100% of your attention. stuff the trivial stuff.
wendybnt said:
Wendy, they are intrinsically linked, because they are the figleaf PR.
but I have written hear before, I think some marginal gains might in fact, be an inverted gain, a negative gain, a loss. a false economy.
here... the australian track team took their team pursuiters into a wind tunnel to determine which order and which riders should be in the TP. But the TP riders are in the wind for one quarter of the time, most of their time is recovering at a near threshold level for their max anaerobic efforts in the wind riding their lap. How do you measure how the 3 slipstream riders are managing their recovery and ability to smash their lap time? I think the old way, of the coaches determining which rider was suited to which position in the TP, was more advantageous. And having a stopwatch by the side of the track. That is the ultimate arbiter. It would be nice to know the flow dynamics of a team pursuit, and how the individual on the front is being slowed by his CdA.
I think this marginal gains palava, may take ones eyes off the prize. It is better to focus your attention on about the 3 variables that contribute to a minimum of 90% of your performance. And you dial dial dial dail in those variables and get them to a certain guaranteed 100% of their potential. If you take your eyes off those three variables that contribute the most to your performance, you will lose significantly more than your marginal gains offers. ofcourse, brailsford will say, this is a false dichotomy, we do both.
I say BS. I say give those other variables 100% of your attention. stuff the trivial stuff.
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there has been a study on Lemond's position and his helmet, and they found that it was actually not a help, it was actually less efficient wrt his CdA
wendybnt said:
there has been a study on Lemond's position and his helmet, and they found that it was actually not a help, it was actually less efficient wrt his CdA
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Plus Fignon had double discs - to Lemond's spoked front wheel. I'd call it even, given Fignon's head is always going to be aero wrt his back, and Fignon had a dropped front end anyway.
blackcat said:
Plus Fignon had double discs - to Lemond's spoked front wheel. I'd call it even, given Fignon's head is always going to be aero wrt his back, and Fignon had a dropped front end anyway.
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Surely that would be a disadvantage.....racing saddles are uncomfortable enough with just 2 normal orbs..............unless, of course, this 3rd bollock is placed somewhere else about his person........under an armpit maybe ?buckle said:
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Wendy, they are intrinsically linked, because they are the figleaf PR.
but I have written hear before, I think some marginal gains might in fact, be an inverted gain, a negative gain, a loss. a false economy.
here... the australian track team took their team pursuiters into a wind tunnel to determine which order and which riders should be in the TP. But the TP riders are in the wind for one quarter of the time, most of their time is recovering at a near threshold level for their max anaerobic efforts in the wind riding their lap. How do you measure how the 3 slipstream riders are managing their recovery and ability to smash their lap time? I think the old way, of the coaches determining which rider was suited to which position in the TP, was more advantageous. And having a stopwatch by the side of the track. That is the ultimate arbiter. It would be nice to know the flow dynamics of a team pursuit, and how the individual on the front is being slowed by his CdA.
I think this marginal gains palava, may take ones eyes off the prize. It is better to focus your attention on about the 3 variables that contribute to a minimum of 90% of your performance. And you dial dial dial dail in those variables and get them to a certain guaranteed 100% of their potential. If you take your eyes off those three variables that contribute the most to your performance, you will lose significantly more than your marginal gains offers. ofcourse, brailsford will say, this is a false dichotomy, we do both.
I say BS. I say give those other variables 100% of your attention. stuff the trivial stuff.[/quoteSk
I agree that Sky are PR heavy, and the notion of marginal gains is part of this.
But, I don't discount the idea that any team, including Sky, could be doing certain things better than others. It has always been the case in all sports.
blackcat said:
Wendy, they are intrinsically linked, because they are the figleaf PR.
but I have written hear before, I think some marginal gains might in fact, be an inverted gain, a negative gain, a loss. a false economy.
here... the australian track team took their team pursuiters into a wind tunnel to determine which order and which riders should be in the TP. But the TP riders are in the wind for one quarter of the time, most of their time is recovering at a near threshold level for their max anaerobic efforts in the wind riding their lap. How do you measure how the 3 slipstream riders are managing their recovery and ability to smash their lap time? I think the old way, of the coaches determining which rider was suited to which position in the TP, was more advantageous. And having a stopwatch by the side of the track. That is the ultimate arbiter. It would be nice to know the flow dynamics of a team pursuit, and how the individual on the front is being slowed by his CdA.
I think this marginal gains palava, may take ones eyes off the prize. It is better to focus your attention on about the 3 variables that contribute to a minimum of 90% of your performance. And you dial dial dial dail in those variables and get them to a certain guaranteed 100% of their potential. If you take your eyes off those three variables that contribute the most to your performance, you will lose significantly more than your marginal gains offers. ofcourse, brailsford will say, this is a false dichotomy, we do both.
I say BS. I say give those other variables 100% of your attention. stuff the trivial stuff.[/quoteSk
I agree that Sky are PR heavy, and the notion of marginal gains is part of this.
But, I don't discount the idea that any team, including Sky, could be doing certain things better than others. It has always been the case in all sports.
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Wendy, they are intrinsically linked, because they are the figleaf PR.
but I have written hear before, I think some marginal gains might in fact, be an inverted gain, a negative gain, a loss. a false economy.
here... the australian track team took their team pursuiters into a wind tunnel to determine which order and which riders should be in the TP. But the TP riders are in the wind for one quarter of the time, most of their time is recovering at a near threshold level for their max anaerobic efforts in the wind riding their lap. How do you measure how the 3 slipstream riders are managing their recovery and ability to smash their lap time? I think the old way, of the coaches determining which rider was suited to which position in the TP, was more advantageous. And having a stopwatch by the side of the track. That is the ultimate arbiter. It would be nice to know the flow dynamics of a team pursuit, and how the individual on the front is being slowed by his CdA.
I think this marginal gains palava, may take ones eyes off the prize. It is better to focus your attention on about the 3 variables that contribute to a minimum of 90% of your performance. And you dial dial dial dail in those variables and get them to a certain guaranteed 100% of their potential. If you take your eyes off those three variables that contribute the most to your performance, you will lose significantly more than your marginal gains offers. ofcourse, brailsford will say, this is a false dichotomy, we do both.
I say BS. I say give those other variables 100% of your attention. stuff the trivial stuff.[/quoteSk
I agree that Sky are PR heavy, and the notion of marginal gains is part of this.
But, I don't discount the idea that any team, including Sky, could be doing certain things better than others. It has always been the case in all sports.
blackcat said:
Wendy, they are intrinsically linked, because they are the figleaf PR.
but I have written hear before, I think some marginal gains might in fact, be an inverted gain, a negative gain, a loss. a false economy.
here... the australian track team took their team pursuiters into a wind tunnel to determine which order and which riders should be in the TP. But the TP riders are in the wind for one quarter of the time, most of their time is recovering at a near threshold level for their max anaerobic efforts in the wind riding their lap. How do you measure how the 3 slipstream riders are managing their recovery and ability to smash their lap time? I think the old way, of the coaches determining which rider was suited to which position in the TP, was more advantageous. And having a stopwatch by the side of the track. That is the ultimate arbiter. It would be nice to know the flow dynamics of a team pursuit, and how the individual on the front is being slowed by his CdA.
I think this marginal gains palava, may take ones eyes off the prize. It is better to focus your attention on about the 3 variables that contribute to a minimum of 90% of your performance. And you dial dial dial dail in those variables and get them to a certain guaranteed 100% of their potential. If you take your eyes off those three variables that contribute the most to your performance, you will lose significantly more than your marginal gains offers. ofcourse, brailsford will say, this is a false dichotomy, we do both.
I say BS. I say give those other variables 100% of your attention. stuff the trivial stuff.[/quoteSk
I agree that Sky are PR heavy, and the notion of marginal gains is part of this.
But, I don't discount the idea that any team, including Sky, could be doing certain things better than others. It has always been the case in all sports.
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you are right. what Sky are doing, is putting all resources into one basket. July. Vroom. and the win. Like USPS. Other teams dont have the luxury.
all the team is pulling to this end.
one for all and all for one.
Ruperts glory.
Wendi ding ding Deng BINGO!
#Blairsglutes
wendybnt said:
you are right. what Sky are doing, is putting all resources into one basket. July. Vroom. and the win. Like USPS. Other teams dont have the luxury.
all the team is pulling to this end.
one for all and all for one.
Ruperts glory.
Wendi ding ding Deng BINGO!
#Blairsglutes
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Wendi had an affair with Blair at the Murdoch property in California, a country ranch, and she admired Blair's gluteswendybnt said:
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yes, she played the old master at his own game, and took him for a half share each in the family trust for her daughters, and managed to cuckold the octogenarian. she is brilliant.wendybnt said:
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