Top Ten excuses Sky will use to fend off doping accusations

[The Hitch]

One that hasn't been mentioned that I have remembered is Froome and Brailsford claiming that CF was always attacking pre 2011 and that once Sky got his tactics right for him, he was able to use that energy constructively. ie, he always had the power, was just wasting it in breakaways every day for 4 years.

Does anyone actually remember Froome attacking every stage of every race like he claims to? I mean guys like Pirazi, Voeckler, Hoogerland even when they don't win people remember yes they do go into breaks. Did anyone have that impression of Froome pre 2011. A guy who was always on the attack every day until he wasted all his energy and was at best top 30 on the stage. Can anyone recall more than a handful of examples from his 200+ days of racing pre September 2011 where he even made the breakaway?

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

1. Find weird disease no one has heard of
2. Play on the publics lack of knowledge about cycling in the uk and pretend all cyclists are way behind other sports = marginal gains
3. Publicize your zero tolerance policy
4 Hire a shed load of dodgy riders, dodgy DS staff, Dodgy doctors.
5. Get the press in your pocket using Murdoch empire
6. Get UCI in your pocket by ensuring they cant afford to go up against you in court
7. Get ASO in your pocket by making sure they cant afford to lose another leader of the TDF and destroy their own race
8. Get a reporter in your pocket to write sh!te about how wonderful the team is
9. Find a number of good track riders who you have had on the gear for years in the track program and bring them onto the road team
10. Get a lead in to the latest drugs to make sure you are ahead of the curve
11. Build a team based upon a nationalist program with massive sponsorship to make sure you have more money and more clout than anyone else.
12. Complain about not enough testing
13. proclaim how many hundreds of tests you have passed and never tested positive
14. Proclaim how immaculate your preperation for the tour is compared to everyone else.
15. Make a program about how your star rider has a physiology that is different to everyone else
16. Acquire TUE's for any potential issue that might be found out - whether they were in time or backdated
17. Ride climbs quicker than proven dopers and still proclaim you are clean
18. Watch as ex team mates get busted for drugs and proclaim dismay at how they fell of the right road after leaving the team

Oh now which team am I describing - is it sky or USPS I am confused as it appears that the lists would be identical

And yet still there are people out there that believe history isn't repeating itself and a nation where cycling is a minority sport with no infrastructure and roads that are deadly for cyclists in any large number, can suddenly produce world class cyclists that can destroy cycling powerhouses from other parts of the world.- Oh am i talking about the USA or UK; again I am confused !!!

And fantastic post of course. Hope to see more of this poster.

 

[blackcat]

Gordonstoun is invoked as parody. muscular christianity is similar, its all meant in jest.

hence, why i invoked corgies.


it...
is
not

serious

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

1. Find weird disease no one has heard of
2. Play on the publics lack of knowledge about cycling in the uk and pretend all cyclists are way behind other sports = marginal gains
3. Publicize your zero tolerance policy
4 Hire a shed load of dodgy riders, dodgy DS staff, Dodgy doctors.
5. Get the press in your pocket using Murdoch empire
6. Get UCI in your pocket by ensuring they cant afford to go up against you in court
7. Get ASO in your pocket by making sure they cant afford to lose another leader of the TDF and destroy their own race
8. Get a reporter in your pocket to write sh!te about how wonderful the team is
9. Find a number of good track riders who you have had on the gear for years in the track program and bring them onto the road team
10. Get a lead in to the latest drugs to make sure you are ahead of the curve
11. Build a team based upon a nationalist program with massive sponsorship to make sure you have more money and more clout than anyone else.
12. Complain about not enough testing
13. proclaim how many hundreds of tests you have passed and never tested positive
14. Proclaim how immaculate your preperation for the tour is compared to everyone else.
15. Make a program about how your star rider has a physiology that is different to everyone else
16. Acquire TUE's for any potential issue that might be found out - whether they were in time or backdated
17. Ride climbs quicker than proven dopers and still proclaim you are clean
18. Watch as ex team mates get busted for drugs and proclaim dismay at how they fell of the right road after leaving the team

Oh now which team am I describing - is it sky or USPS I am confused as it appears that the lists would be identical

And yet still there are people out there that believe history isn't repeating itself and a nation where cycling is a minority sport with no infrastructure and roads that are deadly for cyclists in any large number, can suddenly produce world class cyclists that can destroy cycling powerhouses from other parts of the world.- Oh am i talking about the USA or UK; again I am confused !!!

I think your analogy with the USA is totally exaggerated.

1) What weird disease are you talking about, Testicular Cancer? Pretty sure that has been heard of by most people.
10) I don't think Lance had the latest and greatest drugs. He wasn't using unicorn blood, just better logistics and a better safety net of protection.
18) That happened with USPS, but the UCI doesn't look ready to suspend anybody other than a few small fries nowadays.

The roads in the USA are really good for riding in many parts of the country. Calling them deadly is laughable.

Your comment on 10 is debatable. I don't think we know the full truth of what he was up to. Certainly they (USPS) used Actovegin, and there's evidence that he (LA) dabbled / considered Aicar. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was trying some real cutting edge stuff with Ferrari.

Also 18 - I think only Mick R has failed a drugs test since leaving Sky, although that was down to chinese meat ...

 

[wendybnt]

Re: Re:

Unfortunately you yet again show your lack of understanding and your Pop TV knowledge base as you think the top of the country is ETON, Harrow and Gordonstoun.
There are many more private schools and far better ones as well.

Alex Dowsett went to a very nice private Prep school
Laura Trott - Turnford private school in cheshunt
Victoria williamson - Norwich high school for girls (private independent school)
Chris Hoy - George watsons college (private school in scotland)
Nicholas roche - blackrock college (private school)
Phillip Anderson - trinity private school
Phillip Hindes - Private sports school in germany

There are many others that went to grammar schools and other schools as well
Although on the continent there is a large spread of the population in sport in the UK the lack of funding and a lack of assistance it means that the wealthier families are always going to be at an advantage as they are able to drive their children to Manchester every weekend to ride their bikes with the GB squad - and anyone who has been involved in the elite cycling scene in the uk in the last 15 years will tell you that unless you are in manchester or can get there regularly then you will never make it into the team

Maybe you could stop posting on areas of the UK cycling scene you obviously know nothing about.

So you are trying to make a point about British cycling recruiting mainly from the upper class, and to support it you post about Nicholas Roche (Irish), Phil Anderson (Australian...Trinity grammar, which is in Melbourne)

Not an auspicious start to your post.

I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong. Whilst parental support matters for any sporting success, to claim that professional cycling in the UK is the preserve of the wealthy upper classes is just drivel, frankly. I'm not going to debate the point further with you.

 

[wendybnt]

Re:

One that hasn't been mentioned that I have remembered is Froome and Brailsford claiming that CF was always attacking pre 2011 and that once Sky got his tactics right for him, he was able to use that energy constructively. ie, he always had the power, was just wasting it in breakaways every day for 4 years.

Does anyone actually remember Froome attacking every stage of every race like he claims to? I mean guys like Pirazi, Voeckler, Hoogerland even when they don't win people remember yes they do go into breaks. Did anyone have that impression of Froome pre 2011. A guy who was always on the attack every day until he wasted all his energy and was at best top 30 on the stage. Can anyone recall more than a handful of examples from his 200+ days of racing pre September 2011 where he even made the breakaway?

It's nonsense and it is barely worth talking about. Froome didn't figure anywhere. A minor domestique.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Re: Re:

Your comment on 10 is debatable. I don't think we know the full truth of what he was up to. Certainly they (USPS) used Actovegin, and there's evidence that he (LA) dabbled / considered Aicar. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was trying some real cutting edge stuff with Ferrari.

Also 18 - I think only Mick R has failed a drugs test since leaving Sky, although that was down to chinese meat ...

True, all conclusions are mostly conjecture due to the veil of secrecy surrounding the topic and those comments represent only my personal opinions. Considering he won 7 TDFs, Lance's doping strategy may have became more boutique as the years progressed. I doubt he won in 1999 with anything 'experimental' but YMMV.

 

[wendybnt]

Re:

Gordonstoun is invoked as parody. muscular christianity is similar, its all meant in jest.

hence, why i invoked corgies.


it...
is
not

serious

Well, according to Rob27172 you might be right. Who knows how Cav manages in a sprint without his butler on hand, what.

 

[ebandit]

hyperbole

Does anyone actually remember Froome attacking every stage of every race like he claims to?

hitch why switch the goalposts making a false claim? in the whole history of cycling

has a rider ever attacked every stage of every race?

Mark L

 

[Taxus4a]

The tittle should be, top ten inventions haters of cycling has done to try to say SKy is doping.

That would be really funny and it will be funny in the future

SKy never has put any excuses becouse they has anything strange to explain.

Maybe they have sometimes explain how they do to improve performance.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Also 18 - I think only Mick R has failed a drugs test since leaving Sky, although that was down to chinese meat ...

mmmm sino sausage. lip smacking

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

1. Find weird disease no one has heard of
2. Play on the publics lack of knowledge about cycling in the uk and pretend all cyclists are way behind other sports = marginal gains
3. Publicize your zero tolerance policy
4 Hire a shed load of dodgy riders, dodgy DS staff, Dodgy doctors.
5. Get the press in your pocket using Murdoch empire
6. Get UCI in your pocket by ensuring they cant afford to go up against you in court
7. Get ASO in your pocket by making sure they cant afford to lose another leader of the TDF and destroy their own race
8. Get a reporter in your pocket to write sh!te about how wonderful the team is
9. Find a number of good track riders who you have had on the gear for years in the track program and bring them onto the road team
10. Get a lead in to the latest drugs to make sure you are ahead of the curve
11. Build a team based upon a nationalist program with massive sponsorship to make sure you have more money and more clout than anyone else.
12. Complain about not enough testing
13. proclaim how many hundreds of tests you have passed and never tested positive
14. Proclaim how immaculate your preperation for the tour is compared to everyone else.
15. Make a program about how your star rider has a physiology that is different to everyone else
16. Acquire TUE's for any potential issue that might be found out - whether they were in time or backdated
17. Ride climbs quicker than proven dopers and still proclaim you are clean
18. Watch as ex team mates get busted for drugs and proclaim dismay at how they fell of the right road after leaving the team

Oh now which team am I describing - is it sky or USPS I am confused as it appears that the lists would be identical

And yet still there are people out there that believe history isn't repeating itself and a nation where cycling is a minority sport with no infrastructure and roads that are deadly for cyclists in any large number, can suddenly produce world class cyclists that can destroy cycling powerhouses from other parts of the world.- Oh am i talking about the USA or UK; again I am confused !!!

I think your analogy with the USA is totally exaggerated.

1) What weird disease are you talking about, Testicular Cancer? Pretty sure that has been heard of by most people.
10) I don't think Lance had the latest and greatest drugs. He wasn't using unicorn blood, just better logistics and a better safety net of protection.
18) That happened with USPS, but the UCI doesn't look ready to suspend anybody other than a few small fries nowadays.

The roads in the USA are really good for riding in many parts of the country. Calling them deadly is laughable.

Your comment on 10 is debatable. I don't think we know the full truth of what he was up to. Certainly they (USPS) used Actovegin, and there's evidence that he (LA) dabbled / considered Aicar. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was trying some real cutting edge stuff with Ferrari.

Also 18 - I think only Mick R has failed a drugs test since leaving Sky, although that was down to chinese meat ...

tsk tsk spudóg.

On June 30 2015, Davide Appollonio gave an adverse analytical finding for EPO, on June 14 – two weeks after completing the Giro d'Italia, and was provisionally suspended.

Must've forgot where he put his marginal gains.......

 

[Saint Unix]

Re:

One that hasn't been mentioned that I have remembered is Froome and Brailsford claiming that CF was always attacking pre 2011 and that once Sky got his tactics right for him, he was able to use that energy constructively. ie, he always had the power, was just wasting it in breakaways every day for 4 years.

Does anyone actually remember Froome attacking every stage of every race like he claims to? I mean guys like Pirazi, Voeckler, Hoogerland even when they don't win people remember yes they do go into breaks. Did anyone have that impression of Froome pre 2011. A guy who was always on the attack every day until he wasted all his energy and was at best top 30 on the stage. Can anyone recall more than a handful of examples from his 200+ days of racing pre September 2011 where he even made the breakaway?

That sounds like Lance in his angry young days, according to It's Not About the Bike, not Froome.

Huge natural talent, rode like an idiot. Once he harnessed it he became the best ever. Yep, been done before.

 

[ray j willings]

Froome's short superstar leap was most unexpected. He responded really well to beetroot juice apparently.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: hyperbole

Does anyone actually remember Froome attacking every stage of every race like he claims to?

hitch why switch the goalposts making a false claim? in the whole history of cycling

has a rider ever attacked every stage of every race?

Mark L

Err I didn't make anything up. Froome drops that line in his book a lot. Walsh has said it a lot of times as well.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

One that hasn't been mentioned that I have remembered is Froome and Brailsford claiming that CF was always attacking pre 2011 and that once Sky got his tactics right for him, he was able to use that energy constructively. ie, he always had the power, was just wasting it in breakaways every day for 4 years.

Does anyone actually remember Froome attacking every stage of every race like he claims to? I mean guys like Pirazi, Voeckler, Hoogerland even when they don't win people remember yes they do go into breaks. Did anyone have that impression of Froome pre 2011. A guy who was always on the attack every day until he wasted all his energy and was at best top 30 on the stage. Can anyone recall more than a handful of examples from his 200+ days of racing pre September 2011 where he even made the breakaway?

That sounds like Lance in his angry young days, according to It's Not About the Bike, not Froome.

Huge natural talent, rode like an idiot. Once he harnessed it he became the best ever. Yep, been done before.

Did Lance actually use that line too in - INATB?

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

One that hasn't been mentioned that I have remembered is Froome and Brailsford claiming that CF was always attacking pre 2011 and that once Sky got his tactics right for him, he was able to use that energy constructively. ie, he always had the power, was just wasting it in breakaways every day for 4 years.

Does anyone actually remember Froome attacking every stage of every race like he claims to? I mean guys like Pirazi, Voeckler, Hoogerland even when they don't win people remember yes they do go into breaks. Did anyone have that impression of Froome pre 2011. A guy who was always on the attack every day until he wasted all his energy and was at best top 30 on the stage. Can anyone recall more than a handful of examples from his 200+ days of racing pre September 2011 where he even made the breakaway?

That sounds like Lance in his angry young days, according to It's Not About the Bike, not Froome.

Huge natural talent, rode like an idiot. Once he harnessed it he became the best ever. Yep, been done before.

Did Lance actually use that line too in - INATB?

Sort of, he admitted to being an aggressive, arrogant *** to other riders as much as attacking riding. He expected respect immediately as he was World Champ so young. He did get in breaks a bit IIRC, he won a couple of Tour stages, the WC and San Sebastian from breaks and picked up a second at Liege from a 2 up sprint.

The only big races I remember Froome in the break were one or two '08 Tour stages and that break in the '09 Giro.

 

[Saint Unix]

In INATB he talks about riding entire races off the front when he first got into the national team as a junior. Probably a consequence of him kicking the asses of everyone at his local scene and thinking he could do it everywhere.

I went to Colorado Springs anyway [to train with the junior national team, after being denied time off by his school], and then to Moscow. At the Junior Worlds, I had no idea what I was doing, I was all raw energy with no concept of pacing or tactics. But I led for several laps anyway, before I faded, out of gas from attacking too early, Still, the U.S. federation officials were impressed, and the Russian coach told everybody I was the best young cyclist he had seen in years.

I had no idea what I was getting into [becoming a pro]. When I left home at 18, my idea of a race was to leap on and start pedaling. I was called "brash" in my early days, and the tag has followed me ever since, maybe deservedly. I was very young and had a lot to learn, and I said and did some things that maybe I shouldn't have, but I wasn't trying to be a jerk. I was just Texan. The "Toro de Texas," the Spanish press named me.

In my first big international race, I did everything my coach told me not to do. It was at the 1990 amateur World Championships in Utsunomiya, Japan, a 115-mile road race over a tough course with a long, hard climb.

...

Chris [Carmichael] gave me strict instructions: I was to hang back in the pack for much of the race and look for his signal before making any kind of move. It was too hot and the course too ardous to try to race in front into the headwind. The smart thing to do was to draft and conserve my energy.

"I want you to wait," Chris said. "I don't want to see you near the front, catching any wind."

I nodded, and moved to the start area. On the first lap, I did what he told me to and rode near the back. But then I couldn't help myself , I wanted to test my legs. I began to move up. On the second lap, I took the lead, and when I came by the checkpoint, I was up all by myself, 45 seconds up on the field. I streaked past Chris. As I went by, I glanced over at him. He had his arms spread wide, as if to say, "What are you doing?"

What was I doing? I was just going. It was a move that would become known as classic early Armstrong: a contrary and spectacularly ill-advised attack. I proceeded to go solo for the next three laps, and built a lead of about a minute and a half. I was feeling pretty good about myself, when the heat started to get to me. Next thing I knew, 30 guys came up and joined me. With half the race still to go, I was already suffering. I tried to keep riding at the front, but I didn't have enough left. Sapped by the heat and the climbs, I finished 11th.

 

[ebandit]

sa if

Does anyone actually remember Froome attacking every stage of every race like he claims to?

hitch why switch the goalposts making a false claim? in the whole history of cycling

has a rider ever attacked every stage of every race?

Mark L

Err I didn't make anything up. Froome drops that line in his book a lot. Walsh has said it a lot of times as well.

as if da dawg says......i attack in every stage of every race........right!

Mark L

 

[70kmph]

O Symetric chain rings

 

[ray j willings]

Re:

O Symetric chain rings

I seemed to remember the big deal when q rings came out. Most of the Garmin riders used them and most of them have now stopped using them. In fact Rotor designed a normal ring that looks like a Q ring.
If they made that much difference riders would still be using them.
Obviously the O rings are more extreme but they have not taken over the peloton in any major way.
If the gains were so good every one would be using them,,,easily be re badged for sponsors as is the norm for pro teams.

 

[Rob27172]

Re: Re:

I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong. Whilst parental support matters for any sporting success, to claim that professional cycling in the UK is the preserve of the wealthy upper classes is just drivel, frankly. I'm not going to debate the point further with you.[/quote]


Sorry but I am not wrong at all as I am not saying it is the preserve of the wealthy

You originally said this :
"You are way off with that stuff. I've lived in the UK on and off for a couple of decades and cycling is a sport for plebs. Polo is where the nobs hang out, what."

Which is a statement that cycling is for the common low class plebs of society (your words not mine) - The fact that you are obviously some sort of wannabe snob, and think like that and use words such as plebs to describe cyclists in the UK, is bad enough in itself - So my point was to debunk this stupid comment and not to prove that all of cycling is the preserve of the wealthy

I would suggest in future you try to keep track of the garbage you spout so you can at least keep up with the arguments to prove how idiotic they are.

 

[wendybnt]

That post of mine you just quoted was an exaggeration for comic effect, in other words satire. It was in response to Blackcat's satirical depiction of Brit cyclists as products of the highest echelons of Brit society.

You might want to review your post in the light of that, and maybe remove the insults.

W xxx

 

[Rob27172]

Really; nicely being able to change the tune of your original post to a satirical insult of the cyclists in the UK after the fact is a rather handy excuse once you've been called out on your insulting language and version of the world as you see it.

Unfortunately people don't know if you are intending to be funny as
A: you never actually said anything funny.
B: Most people realise satire is a very difficult thing to do in black and white without inflection or explanation
C: it would have been the first funny post I have seen from you in any forum and even then it wasn't funny.

So I am afraid my opinion of you wont change away from the person living elsewhere who thinks they know something about the uk because they served beer in a pub there once and read the sun newspaper which was left on the bar.


Now that for your information is satire as I am inducing that you are from the southern hemisphere - either originally or now - you were in the UK and everyone knows that all southerners are good for is bar tending jobs, and you obviously read the sun as it is a murdoch newspaper and we all love him around here for his relationship to sky.

Have a great weekend

 

[blackcat]

Re:

That post of mine you just quoted was an exaggeration for comic effect, in other words satire. It was in response to Blackcat's satirical depiction of Brit cyclists as products of the highest echelons of Brit society.

You might want to review your post in the light of that, and maybe remove the insults.

W xxx

actually, I never meant to insinuate that the cyclists from the UK were from the aristocracy. I was merely taking a hammer for the satire of the entire UK. yeah, picking out one social strata, can see how it may not have even been ambiguous, it could be interpreted the way you did. I was just doing it for the laffs[sic]