Tour 2012: Route Rumours / Our wishes

[Papparrazzi]

It's coming past my house

 

[Cimber]

depending on which way they will do the climb the La Toussuire profile will be one of the two following (me bet is the 1st one):

http://www.climbbybike.com/profile.asp?Climbprofile=La-Toussuire&MountainID=6881

http://www.climbbybike.com/profile.asp?Climbprofile=La-Toussuire&MountainID=6880

PS: sadly hasnt added the two Pyrenee stages to the profile list yet. Normally *** "high mountain" stages are available from the beginning.

 

[Magnus]

Has anybody got profiles for stage 3, 16 and 17?
They were in the presentation video but not on http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/COURSE/us/le_parcours.html

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

(2): What?

It encourages riders to take risks in dangerous descents to improve their position in GC.

 

[Cimber]

ACF is sort of right. Contador is favourite on any parcours if he is there.

But ideally he'd want plenty of TTing, to get rid of Schleck etc, and plenty of climbing, to get rid of Evans, Menchov, Wiggins.

Think there is enough climbing for him. Even if there isnt as much as last year, there are still some tough climbs were he can put alot of time into Wiggins and Cadel.

 

[Magnus]

depending on which way they will do the climb the La Toussuire profile will be one of the two following (me bet is the 1st one):

http://www.climbbybike.com/profile.asp?Climbprofile=La-Toussuire&MountainID=6881

http://www.climbbybike.com/profile.asp?Climbprofile=La-Toussuire&MountainID=6880

I believe they used the second in the Critérium Dauphiné.

 

[Cimber]

It encourages riders to take risks in dangerous descents to improve their position in GC.

Is it you, Frandy?

 

[roundabout]

(1):
No it doesn't. Look at a map. If you want the climb from St Jean de Maurienne to La Toussuire you have to get to St Jean de Maurienne first.

(2): What?

(1). I looked at the map? Have you? Unless they bulldozed the link road which is on the Michelin map at least it's well possible to get St Jean de Maurienne without climbing the Mollard

(2). Climbers have zero chance on this route. In the best stage of the Tour they put it an a loop that makes life even harder for them.

Extra distance from Glandon to Toussuire for an attacker

Extra distance for any team to ride wanting to make the race hard

 

[Forunculo]

For me Tdf 2012 is Cadel (35%) or Contador (65%).

One thing that can go in advance for Conti is that RadioSchlek had to do a massive attack in the few mountain stages to gap the GC time trialers, he only has to hold Andy wheel and if he is on top form...

 

[Cimber]

For me Tdf 2012 is Cadel (35%) or Contador (65%).

One thing that can go in advance for Conti is that RadioSchlek had to do a massive attack in the few mountain stages to gap the GC time trialers, he only has to hold Andy wheel and if he is on top form...

Aye that will probably be a huge advantage for SBS and Bertie.

PS: I would also mention Wiggins. The route is perfect for him,.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Not such a backended Tour this year which is good. Key stages appear to be 8, 10, 12, 17, 18 and 20 (counting prologue as 1).

And stage 8 (5.5 km @ 9.5%) is awesome! What is this, the Giro

Not sure why key mountain stages 12 and 18 are so short though???

When are we getting some official profiles published? Nothing on the cyclingnews front page as yet.

 

[Lupetto]

Did someone pay attention on the stage finish of stage 1? I think Prudhomme said something about 2k @ 8% with ramps of 14%.

 

[roundabout]

Did someone pay attention on the stage finish of stage 1? I think Prudhomme said something about 2k @ 8% with ramps of 14%.

Not 2k, 800 meters.

 

[Magnus]

(1). I looked at the map? Have you? Unless they bulldozed the link road which is on the Michelin map at least it's well possible to get St Jean de Maurienne without climbing the Mollard

(2). Climbers have zero chance on this route. In the best stage of the Tour they put it an a loop that makes life even harder for them.

Extra distance from Glandon to Toussuire for an attacker

Extra distance for any team to ride wanting to make the race hard

So you suggest they go via Jarrier on their way to St Jean de Mne?

A climber with zero chance on this route (edit: by route I mean stage 11, not the TdF route overall) is not much of a climber imo.

 

[Lupetto]

Not 2k, 800 meters.

Still better than nothing. Thank You.

 

[Forunculo]

Did someone pay attention on the stage finish of stage 1? I think Prudhomme said something about 2k @ 8% with ramps of 14%.

A new Mur Bretagne

 

[roundabout]

No I am suggesting that there is a road between D926 and D110

This route has 2 short mountain stages and 1 short climb which is less than 6km. On all other stages a strong team/alliance of teams is extremely likely to chase any break down or a gain will be limited to a handful of seconds at mostt. To say that a climber who has zero chance on this route is not much of a climber is very disingenuous.

 

[Magnus]

No I am suggesting that there is a road between D926 and D110

Do you mean the dirt road just south of Le Crêt?

 

[roundabout]

Do you mean the dirt road just south of Le Crêt?

Goddamit. It's not a dirt road. Not on the map, not on the photo. You're being obtuse of the sake of being obtuse. I am done here.

 

[Magnus]

Goddamit. It's not a dirt road. Not on the map, not on the photo. You're being obtuse of the sake of being obtuse. I am done here.

I didn't mean to be obtuse. The road didn't figure on my 1:200.000 michelin map of the Rhône alps. Looking at the road on Google Street view from the D926 it certainly looks like a dirt road to me. I haven't ridden it myself though so I cant tell for sure.

I was honestly just trying to find out if that was the road you was referring to.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I think it suits him just as good.

Don't burst ACF's bubble now... that's cruel. Let him believe Evans can actually beat Contador on top form on a course like this. It's more fun in July that way

 

[guncha]

Does anyone have the profile of Peyragudes stage? I cannot find it on the official website.

 

[Angliru]

ACF is sort of right. Contador is favourite on any parcours if he is there.

But ideally he'd want plenty of TTing, to get rid of Schleck etc, and plenty of climbing, to get rid of Evans, Menchov, Wiggins.

He really doesn't need plenty of TTing to get rid of Schleck because at best Andy is close to his equal in the mountains so he (Andy) won't likely gain any time on him there. In the TT's Andy will lose minutes.

 

[RdBiker]

He really doesn't need plenty of TTing to get rid of Schleck because at best Andy is close to his equal in the mountains so he (Andy) won't likely gain any time on him there. In the TT's Andy will lose minutes.

In 2010 with a single long ITT the battle was very tight, though. Unfortunately with two ITTs the battle is over before it's even started - unless A.Schleck & Bruyneel pull out something magical regarding his TTing.

However this route brings Wiggins and Evans into the battle (for second place...). Wiggins should be a better time trialist than Evans or Contador (with the two being about equal, eh?) but he'll probably be the worst climber of the three.

Contador should win this with no problems but perhaps we'll see a battle for second/third place. I'm just sorry that the time trials play such a big part since in my opinion the battles in the mountains are much more exciting.

 

[The Hitch]

So is there any recording of the presentation per chance?