Tour 2012: Route Rumours / Our wishes

[gregrowlerson]

When it all gets revealed in a couple of days will it be properly revealed? Last year we only got the high mountain stages in profiles, with the rest coming out a month or so before the race. The Giro has released their course in full so hopefully the Tour does the same.

It will be really funny if these leaks are totally wrong!

 

[roundabout]

Maybe Mente, maybe Portillon.

It' still doesn't change the fact that it's one of the weirdest Tour stages that I can remember as it's less than 20km from Luchon to Peyragudes.

Wonder if we will get a 180km stage from Bourg-d'Oisans to Alpe d'Huez or 200km stage from Bareges to Tourmalet in the future.

 

[Ferminal]

When it all gets revealed in a couple of days will it be properly revealed? Last year we only got the high mountain stages in profiles, with the rest coming out a month or so before the race. The Giro has released their course in full so hopefully the Tour does the same.

Yes, hopefully the ASO have got their act together in this regard, automatic -10% if we don't have full profiles.

 

[auscyclefan94]

When it all gets revealed in a couple of days will it be properly revealed? Last year we only got the high mountain stages in profiles, with the rest coming out a month or so before the race. The Giro has released their course in full so hopefully the Tour does the same.

It will be really funny if these leaks are totally wrong!

1. The tour never releases the proper route maps or profiles at the presentation. Doubt that will change this year.

2. I find it hard to believe that a route posted on the official website would be totally wrong.

Take it easy. They will give to Peyragoudes a Hors categorie in this special case. I wont be surprised if they will. Being MTF of comical "Queen" Pyrenean stage, the Arcalis got it. Given the Peyragoudes stage is much harder (or not?! ), ASO will do the same.

Does anyone have a profile of the climb to Peyragudes?

 

[airstream]

When it all gets revealed in a couple of days will it be properly revealed? Last year we only got the high mountain stages in profiles, with the rest coming out a month or so before the race. The Giro has released their course in full so hopefully the Tour does the same.

It will be really funny if these leaks are totally wrong!

You admit they could forge the webpage with a description of the route? One point seemed to be suspicious. What is it said about 14 days and the Pyreenes in that introduction? Can anyone translate?

 

[Ferminal]

Does anyone have a profile of the climb to Peyragudes?

It's Peyresourde from Arreau but instead of going to the top of the pass and descending, taking a right to the station.

 

[pastronef]

1. The tour never releases the proper route maps or profiles at the presentation. Doubt that will change this year.

the tour usually releases at least the profile of the 3-4 mountain stages, not the detailed one, but at least with the cols names.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

the tour usually releases at least the profile of the 3-4 mountain stages, not the detailed one, but at least with the cols names.

high mountain stages and medium mountain stages, usually.

 

[apmfbs]

I think we will have the profiles of bellegarde, toussuire,foix,luchon,peyragoudes, porrentruy and planche des belle filles ( and perhaps annonay).

I am interested in the stage to liege and the changes in the stage ( after gilbert complaints )too.

 

[apmfbs]

Depeche confirms the route luchon-peyragoudes with mente -ares-bales-peyresourde-peyragudes.
I hope they will not consider ares as a HC/1ST/2ND cathegory climb, and it would mean that the route to luchon could have five climbs, otherwise would be a ****.

I prefer the lack of ITT in the giro than the expected lack of mountain stages in the tour.

http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2011/10/17/1194187-peyragudes-trois-kilometres-tout-neufs.html

 

[roundabout]

http://www.velowire.com/article/526...x-cols-et-cotes-du-tour-de-france-2012--.html

Pffft.

Me no like.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Depeche confirms the route luchon-peyragoudes with mente -ares-bales-peyresourde-peyragudes.
I hope they will not consider ares as a HC/1ST/2ND cathegory climb, and it would mean that the route to luchon could have five climbs, otherwise would be a ****.

I prefer the lack of ITT in the giro than the expected lack of mountain stages in the tour.

http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2011/10/17/1194187-peyragudes-trois-kilometres-tout-neufs.html

^ Does it say that after a 3 km descent from Peyresourde, a 3 km climb will follow to Peyragudes? Do you have any idea what percentages we're talking about?

 

[apmfbs]

^ Does it say that after a 3 km descent from Peyresourde, a 3 km climb will follow to Peyragudes? Do you have any idea what percentages we're talking about?

I think there is a descent and after 5 kms ( more or less) there are 5 kiometers with an average of 8% , but the news about the route are making me unsure.

 

[apmfbs]

http://www.velowire.com/article/526...x-cols-et-cotes-du-tour-de-france-2012--.html

Pffft.

Me no like.

There are only three real mountain stages and the length of two of them is ridiculous, and the other one should be the last one..............

I think it is a bad tour because of the mountain stages, although I have to admit that the 2 ITT ( + prologue) is a good thing.
By the way I think they consider ares as a 2nd cathegory climb........nothing more to say.

 

[roundabout]

http://www.gazette-ariegeoise.fr/45...-de-Peguere-sera-t-il-le-clou-de-l-etape.html

So col de Peguere is rumored to be in.

That's the good part.

The bad part is the the idea of a loop around Foix. Why the need to go all the way to St Jean Verges?

 

[jens_attacks]

lol that's extremely bad,i've read on some forums(italian i think) that rcs are talking to becca to send one of the schlecks to il giro...i guess it will be andy for his own good.

on la planche des belles filles,the climbers have to go ballistic already.contador might finish le tour right there.

 

[apmfbs]

there is only a good thing of the route ( in relation to what it was expected)....peguere
I am really dissapointed with the rest ( no biche, no azet in the way to luchon, perhaps no peyresours-peyragudes and only peyresourd and two-three flat kms and finish, no portillon )

That´s the reason I can´t critizise the giro a lot, because when I see Tour and Vuelta route´s......................

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

there is only a good thing of the route ( in relation to what it was expected)....peguere
I am really dissapointed with the rest ( no biche, no azet in the way to luchon, perhaps no peyresours-peyragudes and only peyresourd and two-three flat kms and finish, no portillon )

That´s the reason I can´t critizise the giro a lot, because when I see Tour and Vuelta route´s......................

It would be ****ed up if Grand Colombier was the only real climb in that stage. How hard will the GC guys race it with it being a long ways to go until the finish line? I hope I'm wrong.

 

[guncha]

http://www.gazette-ariegeoise.fr/45...-de-Peguere-sera-t-il-le-clou-de-l-etape.html

So col de Peguere is rumored to be in.

That's the good part.

The bad part is the the idea of a loop around Foix. Why the need to go all the way to St Jean Verges?

Trere are 26km from the summit of Mur-de-Peguere (3,6km@11,8%) to Foix. But this loop around Foix gives extra 15km or more which means that Mur-de-Peguere will be at least 40km+ form the finish.
Such a waste of a beautiful climb . With Peguere 26km to to the finish there could have been some hope for GC battle.

 

[apmfbs]

It would be ****ed up if Grand Colombier was the only real climb in that stage. How hard will the GC guys race it with it being a long ways to go until the finish line? I hope I'm wrong.

I think it is going to be the only climb( perhaps richemont too ) and it is going to be climbed for culoz ( not artemare that is the steepest side)

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sigh. Hope the Vuelta manages to provide us with something good, but I'm not too optimistic.

I'm getting the unmistakable whiff of 2011 Paris-Nice spread over three weeks here. God help us.

 

[roundabout]

We'll have to wait for the presentation. Still 2 climbs 2cat and above on the stage to Bellegarde that haven't been mentioned. Could be nothing particularly tough could still be something although Biche deserves a mention so it is a bad sign that it wasn't.

Depeche is likely to be right with the Peyresourde - descent - Peyragudes as there should be 5 climbs on that stage. Although I am not sure where Portillon fits in as I haven't seen it mentioned directly. Ares being one of the 11 big climbs in the Pyrenees would be a major deception by ASO.

 

[guncha]

That´s the reason I can´t critizise the giro a lot, because when I see Tour and Vuelta route´s......................

The route of Giro is beatiful in comparison to Tour's sh**. It seems I won't be able to give more than 2/10 to the Tour's route.

P.S. I am not anti-TDF. I actually rated TDF 11 and TDF 10 routes higher than Giro 11 and Giro 10 routes.

 

[roundabout]

Trere are 26km from the summit of Mur-de-Peguere (3,6km@11,8%) to Foix. But this loop around Foix gives extra 15km or more which means that Mur-de-Peguere will be at least 40km+ form the finish.
Such a waste of a beautiful climb . With Peguere 26km to to the finish there could have been some hope for GC battle.

Apparently the choice of the finish line is dangerous if ridden directly from the climb so they need to loop around.

 

[apmfbs]

We'll have to wait for the presentation. Still 2 climbs 2cat and above on the stage to Bellegarde that haven't been mentioned. Could be nothing particularly tough could still be something although Biche deserves a mention so it is a bad sign that it wasn't.

Depeche is likely to be right with the Peyresourde - descent - Peyragudes as there should be 5 climbs on that stage. Although I am not sure where Portillon fits in as I haven't seen it mentioned directly. Ares being one of the 11 big climbs in the Pyrenees would be a major deception by ASO.

Grand Colombier + Richemont ( 2nd cathegoru climb)and perhaps a previous climb,I don´t trust Biche if it hasn´t been mentioned.
Ares will be a 2nd cathegory climb ( it is a shame ), I hope they will put bales-descent-peyresourd-descent-peyragoudes