Tour de France 2015 Stage 15: Mende-Valence 183km

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  • Cavendish

    Votes: 22 23.2%
  • Greipel

    Votes: 11 11.6%
  • Degenkolb

    Votes: 6 6.3%
  • Sagan

    Votes: 26 27.4%
  • Démare

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Coquard

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kristoff

    Votes: 7 7.4%
  • Another sprinter

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • I still believe in the breakaway

    Votes: 11 11.6%
  • Vino

    Votes: 10 10.5%

  • Total voters
    95
  • Poll closed .
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LaFlorecita said:
DFA123 said:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Sky were the anti-tacticans in the past years. But what AST & Saxo did in the Giro and to some extend in this TdF tops that easily... Actually Sky now looks like masters in comparison.
Tinkoff backed the wrong horse from the start of the TdF. With the full team in support of Sagan, they may have won three or four stages now and Contador would still probably be top 5 overall.
Which stages would Sagan have won if the team rode for him instead of Contador?
Who knows? But with a full train and proper lead out, it's reasonable to suspect that some of those 2nd places would have been 1st.

The team has done almost nothing to help Contador; because he has been too weak for them to offer any meaningful support.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
DFA123 said:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Sky were the anti-tacticans in the past years. But what AST & Saxo did in the Giro and to some extend in this TdF tops that easily... Actually Sky now looks like masters in comparison.
Tinkoff backed the wrong horse from the start of the TdF. With the full team in support of Sagan, they may have won three or four stages now and Contador would still probably be top 5 overall.
Which stages would Sagan have won if the team rode for him instead of Contador?
well, I won't say it would be 100%, but sagan would be definately fresher had he not worked for contador in the early stages, so cobbles e.g. could have been his had he not had to chase for contador. Also, if they rode on sagan in the le havre stage, at least kreuziger could have been there for sagan to chase stybar e.g., etc.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
TMP402 said:
LaFlorecita said:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Sky were the anti-tacticans in the past years. But what AST & Saxo did in the Giro and to some extend in this TdF tops that easily... Actually Sky now looks like masters in comparison.
What did Tinkoff do wrong in the Giro, tactically? :confused:
Rode hard early on and used up domestiques too early, no?
Nope.
Well however he was often isolated, that.
 
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TMP402 said:
LaFlorecita said:
TMP402 said:
LaFlorecita said:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Sky were the anti-tacticans in the past years. But what AST & Saxo did in the Giro and to some extend in this TdF tops that easily... Actually Sky now looks like masters in comparison.
What did Tinkoff do wrong in the Giro, tactically? :confused:
Rode hard early on and used up domestiques too early, no?
Nope.
Well however he was often isolated, that.
Not a tactical error, however. Just poor legs
 
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DFA123 said:
LaFlorecita said:
DFA123 said:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Sky were the anti-tacticans in the past years. But what AST & Saxo did in the Giro and to some extend in this TdF tops that easily... Actually Sky now looks like masters in comparison.
Tinkoff backed the wrong horse from the start of the TdF. With the full team in support of Sagan, they may have won three or four stages now and Contador would still probably be top 5 overall.
Which stages would Sagan have won if the team rode for him instead of Contador?
Who knows? But with a full train and proper lead out, it's reasonable to suspect that some of those 2nd places would have been 1st.

The team has done almost nothing to help Contador; because he has been too weak for them to offer any meaningful support.
He was beaten fair and square in many stages. A teammate wouldn't have helped him on those occasions. On stage 6, he could have won had there been a teammate in that group, but there wasn't, because they weren't able to be in the first group. That wouldn't be any different if Sagan had been the team leader.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Sky were the anti-tacticans in the past years. But what AST & Saxo did in the Giro and to some extend in this TdF tops that easily... Actually Sky now looks like masters in comparison.
What did Tinkoff do wrong in the Giro, tactically? :confused:
Chasing own riders, chasing breaks in flat stages, and finally have nobody for AC in the 3rd week. They were all kaputt from the first week mishmash...
 

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