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I would categorize the stage in the Juras as that as well and having one in the Massif and Juras surely is better than what we get in average? On top of that, its two good designs, tho the stage to Le Lioran is to 'easy' in the ladder part for my taste.
Gigs_98 said:
I would categorize the stage in the Juras as that as well and having one in the Massif and Juras surely is better than what we get in average? On top of that, its two good designs, tho the stage to Le Lioran is to 'easy' in the ladder part for my taste.
A 50 km flat TT instead of the Megeve TT, and a 220 km stage to Morzine-Avoriaz with Saisies, Aravis, Colombiere, Joux Plane and Avoriaz, and this would have been the best GT route in recent history.
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Yep, right until people realizes that Froome took 1 minute out of Quintana on Arcalis and 2 on the semi flat ITT.......
Sure, there could have been more, but I agree with you on the last part, we really need a really proper queen stage in the Alps.
OlavEH said:
Yep, right until people realizes that Froome took 1 minute out of Quintana on Arcalis and 2 on the semi flat ITT.......
Sure, there could have been more, but I agree with you on the last part, we really need a really proper queen stage in the Alps.
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+1. If Froome still wins then the next route will consist of 20 MTTs + Paris stage
hrotha said:
+1. If Froome still wins then the next route will consist of 20 MTTs + Paris stage
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I'm troubling, figuring it out.
The Alps are the range where A.S.O. wanted to put it in, I believe, but Bagnères-de-Luchon beats them all there.
And, at the end, it won't be a shame if Ventoux turns out to be.
What's the Queen Stage of this entire route?BigMac said:
I'm troubling, figuring it out.
The Alps are the range where A.S.O. wanted to put it in, I believe, but Bagnères-de-Luchon beats them all there.
And, at the end, it won't be a shame if Ventoux turns out to be.
The route is interesting.
-Forclaz-Emosson, nice combo.
-Pau-Luchon, classic, yet, efficient.
-A real test before Stage 6 with the Puy Mary/Perthus, good. I like having early tests. Its a three-week race and it helps massively with the scenario to have early exams.
-The double Grand Colombier...nice idea, the stage is at the right position, good for sparkles.
And then, they wrecked it. A good initiative, but its not the best they could have done in the area, far from it, unfortunately. Its still going to be difficult anyway.
-Intrigued by the Puy Mary/Perthus stage.
The route is alright, but i'm afraid the earlier part is not good enough. I would have liked more hills before that, or a proper stage within the Massif Central.
Here, its ass is between both chairs...and as its very early in the race, i fear the disappointment. Those difficulties are harder than they look, but with the poor habits of the peloton...
-Two downhill finishes in a row in the Pyrenees i dont like it, especially when you consider that the uphill finish is coming after them.
And Arcalis, we all know what are my feelings about that. We can easily have no large gaps (+/- 1 min) done between 6-8 guys after the Pyrenees. For the show, thats good, but then, if the stages cant make a difference, whats the point ?
-Saint-Gervais' stage is really weird. Bisanne+10/15km of flat until Mégève...thats unappropriate.
Too much flat between passes the next day, too. They're like stucked in the middle...we want mountains, but we dont want to make it too hard...
The lack of a proper rollercoaster is really a problem for me. Especially as mountain stages are overall too short. 185km max, thats way too short, and there is no stage with tension from start to finish. (Pau-Luchon is cool, but Tourmalet comes after 2h of racing)
Those are minor issues, overall, its not that bad, and better than last year.
Then there are the problems i feel are really obvious and should not be happening.
-Not enough ITT.
-And i dont like the cronoscalata in general, so thats even worse. (Really, can someone explain me, whats the point of those ? On a Ventoux, sure, i understand. Here ?)
I understand that the goal is to prevent Froome from an early win, but its not right to cut down so massively on ITT like that.
-The awfully flat stages of the first two weeks...argh. Cherbourg and le Lioran are the only ones interesting, the other ones are really too flat.
It would be nice if sprinters had to work to win their stages, too. There is a tricky intermediate stage missing i feel. there is way too many free sprints.
Limoges' stage isnt hilly, Revel's got a bump on the last 10k, but shouldnt be sprint-free, thats 8 pancake-flat stages. Im not asking for the moon, but having some tension at least for the stage should not be that difficult.
-Forclaz-Emosson, nice combo.
-Pau-Luchon, classic, yet, efficient.
-A real test before Stage 6 with the Puy Mary/Perthus, good. I like having early tests. Its a three-week race and it helps massively with the scenario to have early exams.
-The double Grand Colombier...nice idea, the stage is at the right position, good for sparkles.
And then, they wrecked it. A good initiative, but its not the best they could have done in the area, far from it, unfortunately. Its still going to be difficult anyway.
-Intrigued by the Puy Mary/Perthus stage.
The route is alright, but i'm afraid the earlier part is not good enough. I would have liked more hills before that, or a proper stage within the Massif Central.
Here, its ass is between both chairs...and as its very early in the race, i fear the disappointment. Those difficulties are harder than they look, but with the poor habits of the peloton...
-Two downhill finishes in a row in the Pyrenees i dont like it, especially when you consider that the uphill finish is coming after them.
And Arcalis, we all know what are my feelings about that. We can easily have no large gaps (+/- 1 min) done between 6-8 guys after the Pyrenees. For the show, thats good, but then, if the stages cant make a difference, whats the point ?
-Saint-Gervais' stage is really weird. Bisanne+10/15km of flat until Mégève...thats unappropriate.
Too much flat between passes the next day, too. They're like stucked in the middle...we want mountains, but we dont want to make it too hard...
The lack of a proper rollercoaster is really a problem for me. Especially as mountain stages are overall too short. 185km max, thats way too short, and there is no stage with tension from start to finish. (Pau-Luchon is cool, but Tourmalet comes after 2h of racing)
Those are minor issues, overall, its not that bad, and better than last year.
Then there are the problems i feel are really obvious and should not be happening.
-Not enough ITT.
-And i dont like the cronoscalata in general, so thats even worse. (Really, can someone explain me, whats the point of those ? On a Ventoux, sure, i understand. Here ?)
I understand that the goal is to prevent Froome from an early win, but its not right to cut down so massively on ITT like that.
-The awfully flat stages of the first two weeks...argh. Cherbourg and le Lioran are the only ones interesting, the other ones are really too flat.
It would be nice if sprinters had to work to win their stages, too. There is a tricky intermediate stage missing i feel. there is way too many free sprints.
Limoges' stage isnt hilly, Revel's got a bump on the last 10k, but shouldnt be sprint-free, thats 8 pancake-flat stages. Im not asking for the moon, but having some tension at least for the stage should not be that difficult.
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I like the total number of hilly, medium mountain and high mountain stages. Generally there have been far too many flat stages in the Tour. But, I don't like the new trend of short mountain stages of only 120-150 km. I don't expect 5 mountain stages of 200+ km each, but there could at least be 1-2 of them in each version of both the Giro and the Tour. It is something epic about a 6,5-7 hour mountain stage.
Valv.Piti said:
I like the total number of hilly, medium mountain and high mountain stages. Generally there have been far too many flat stages in the Tour. But, I don't like the new trend of short mountain stages of only 120-150 km. I don't expect 5 mountain stages of 200+ km each, but there could at least be 1-2 of them in each version of both the Giro and the Tour. It is something epic about a 6,5-7 hour mountain stage.
I like the addition of the MTT. The course will also lend itself to effectual attacks by Contador (who will hopefully be in form), so that should be nice to see.
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This is a Contador course, IMO. I think Quintana benefits more from an actual high mountain parcours with several stages that have at least two long, hard climbs in succession. Those stages are completely absent. The 2016 Giro has one such stage, but it will likely be cancelled as it is.hrotha said:
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And I also don't think that the number is above average. The tdf normally has 2-3 medium mountain stages (I'm not talking about hilly stages with one short steep ramp at the end) and even that isnt enough imo. The giro often shows us how its done. Next years edition could be a great example with a very high number of medium mountains
I think its a little bit like with the Cividale stage in the giro. People call it a medium mountain stage only because the climbs aren't that famous and not very high. Moreover People generally like to call stages in low mountain ranges "medium mountain stages" simply because they aren't in the alps/pyrenees. In fact this stage has two first category climbs near the finish, and if a alps stage would have such a finale nobody would even doubt calling it a mountain stage.Valv.Piti said:
And I also don't think that the number is above average. The tdf normally has 2-3 medium mountain stages (I'm not talking about hilly stages with one short steep ramp at the end) and even that isnt enough imo. The giro often shows us how its done. Next years edition could be a great example with a very high number of medium mountains
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Thumbsuckers of the world unite!! The Tour routes have occasionally historically been altered to sometimes make the outcome less than obvious, based on the skillset of the dominant rider of that period. Also, why wouldn't they make the route pro-French (Pinot/Bardet) when they finally have young riders that can somewhat compete with the elite gc riders. If it seems to favor Quintana then that is a coincidence. Froome would be the favorite no matter what parcours they come up with unless it's all cobbles and short steep Muur's. I get the impression from you two that any course that gives Froome's rivals a fighting chance isn't a true/legitimate course but who are you to decide? The Tour routes have evolved over time as have the distances of the stages.
There is no etched in stone format/rule that says the route should include 100+ kms of tt's.
damian13ster said:
Thumbsuckers of the world unite!! The Tour routes have occasionally historically been altered to sometimes make the outcome less than obvious, based on the skillset of the dominant rider of that period. Also, why wouldn't they make the route pro-French (Pinot/Bardet) when they finally have young riders that can somewhat compete with the elite gc riders. If it seems to favor Quintana then that is a coincidence. Froome would be the favorite no matter what parcours they come up with unless it's all cobbles and short steep Muur's. I get the impression from you two that any course that gives Froome's rivals a fighting chance isn't a true/legitimate course but who are you to decide? The Tour routes have evolved over time as have the distances of the stages.
There is no etched in stone format/rule that says the route should include 100+ kms of tt's.
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This is an extremely demanding route. The riders will have to be on top of their game for a dozen of stages (a couple of weeks). That's a long, long interval.
I think, as long as there is enough uphill kilometres in total - it's good for Quintana. Just has to be ridden faster on the lower altitudes.18-Valve. (pithy) said:
This is an extremely demanding route. The riders will have to be on top of their game for a dozen of stages (a couple of weeks). That's a long, long interval.
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