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Tour de France 2017 Stage 14 : Blagnac > Rodez 181.5 km

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yaco said:
Much ado about nothing. Aru was badly positioned which is disappointing. Have no doubt his legs are fine. Expect he will drop Froome in the Alps.

Doesn't that beg the question as to WHY he was poorly positioned? And don't mention team strength, Froome was leading Kwiatkowski for the last K.

I get it. Froome has a bad day and we're all hoping that it's not over.

But it is.
 
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Poursuivant said:
Chris Froome (SKY) was 6.6km/h faster than Fabio Aru (AST) in the final 500m, where he gained 25" and the #MaillotJauneLCL.
#TDFdata

It doesn't say much. 5km to go aru was already in the back and alone.
In those moments the speed was very high, the road was tortuous and the last km was uphill. So he had to continually raise the speed by wasting many energies .So he ended up burning himself, getting dead on arrival.
Quite simple to me
 
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Carols said:
Irondan said:
Valgren replied to a question about losing the yellow jersey with "good".

Trouble in paradise?

Astana has some issues to deal with apparently...


If I were Vino I'd fire that boys butt! What a backstabber he was :(
Different year, same story. I hoped the impression I got of him last year was false because I liked him, but it doesn't appear to be the case.
 
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Matteo. said:
Poursuivant said:
Chris Froome (SKY) was 6.6km/h faster than Fabio Aru (AST) in the final 500m, where he gained 25" and the #MaillotJauneLCL.
#TDFdata

It doesn't say much. 5km to go aru was already in the back and alone.
In those moments the speed was very high, the road was tortuos and the last km was uphill. So he had to continually raise the speed by wasting many energies .So he ended up burning himself, getting dead on arrival.
Quite simple to me

I think it could be a mix actually, you could argue he was badly positioned because he didn't have the legs which then caused him to lose even more time. Valgren said he was trying to bring Aru up but Aru didn't want to move up. Strategically that makes no sense so I can only think that he didn't have the legs.
 
Astana is a most naive team, if they think they can challange for the win with the selection of riders they have. And Aru strikes me as rider with little race-intelligence (or is it just lack of experience?)

What riders usually fade in the third week; Froome? What riders retain their strength? Quintana?
 
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cycladianpirate said:
yaco said:
Much ado about nothing. Aru was badly positioned which is disappointing. Have no doubt his legs are fine. Expect he will drop Froome in the Alps.

Doesn't that beg the question as to WHY he was poorly positioned? And don't mention team strength, Froome was leading Kwiatkowski for the last K.

I get it. Froome has a bad day and we're all hoping that it's not over.

But it is.

It seems to change on a daily basis. Froome is done. No he's not. Aru will win. No he won't. Tomorrow might be Landa's turn !
 
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nilfen said:
Astana is a most naive team, if they think they can challange for the win with the selection of riders they have. And Aru strikes me as rider with little race-intelligence (or is it just lack of experience?)

What riders usually fade in the third week; Froome? What riders retain their strength? Quintana?

When Cataldo and Fugl are out due to injuries it's hard to complain about the team selection. Not to mention Kanget usually does the double and would be here if he'd not been injured. There are only so many top climbers in the world.

Edit: Not to mention supermanlopez
 
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deValtos said:
nilfen said:
Astana is a most naive team, if they think they can challange for the win with the selection of riders they have. And Aru strikes me as rider with little race-intelligence (or is it just lack of experience?)

What riders usually fade in the third week; Froome? What riders retain their strength? Quintana?

When Cataldo and Fugl are out due to injuries it's hard to complain about the team selection. Not to mention Kanget usually does the double and would be here if he'd not been injured. There are only so many top climbers in the world.

But it is not the climbers they lack. It's the riders for the flat and the last 10-20 kms
 
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Lets not forget Sagan would've won this stage easily had he not been unjustly DQ'd

for the wheel sucker to over celebrate like that is kind of crass
 
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deValtos said:
nilfen said:
Astana is a most naive team, if they think they can challange for the win with the selection of riders they have. And Aru strikes me as rider with little race-intelligence (or is it just lack of experience?)

What riders usually fade in the third week; Froome? What riders retain their strength? Quintana?

When Cataldo and Fugl are out due to injuries it's hard to complain about the team selection. Not to mention Kanget usually does the double and would be here if he'd not been injured. There are only so many top climbers in the world.

Kangert was a huge blow. He was riding so well in the Giro. Cataldo gone. The team has been battered.
 
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nilfen said:
deValtos said:
nilfen said:
Astana is a most naive team, if they think they can challange for the win with the selection of riders they have. And Aru strikes me as rider with little race-intelligence (or is it just lack of experience?)

What riders usually fade in the third week; Froome? What riders retain their strength? Quintana?

When Cataldo and Fugl are out due to injuries it's hard to complain about the team selection. Not to mention Kanget usually does the double and would be here if he'd not been injured. There are only so many top climbers in the world.

But it is not the climbers they lack. It's the riders for the flat and the last 10-20 kms

According to Valgren that's not the case. Aru refused to get on his wheel and move up.
 
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deValtos said:
Matteo. said:
Poursuivant said:
Chris Froome (SKY) was 6.6km/h faster than Fabio Aru (AST) in the final 500m, where he gained 25" and the #MaillotJauneLCL.
#TDFdata

It doesn't say much. 5km to go aru was already in the back and alone.
In those moments the speed was very high, the road was tortuos and the last km was uphill. So he had to continually raise the speed by wasting many energies .So he ended up burning himself, getting dead on arrival.
Quite simple to me

I think it could be a mix actually, you could argue he was badly positioned because he didn't have the legs which then caused him to lose even more time. Valgren said he was trying to bring Aru up but Aru didn't want to move up. Strategically that makes no sense so I can only think that he didn't have the legs.

Yes, probably the thing is a question of " fifty fifty".
The truth is in the middle
 
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deValtos said:
nilfen said:
deValtos said:
nilfen said:
Astana is a most naive team, if they think they can challange for the win with the selection of riders they have. And Aru strikes me as rider with little race-intelligence (or is it just lack of experience?)

What riders usually fade in the third week; Froome? What riders retain their strength? Quintana?

When Cataldo and Fugl are out due to injuries it's hard to complain about the team selection. Not to mention Kanget usually does the double and would be here if he'd not been injured. There are only so many top climbers in the world.

But it is not the climbers they lack. It's the riders for the flat and the last 10-20 kms

According to Valgren that's not the case. Aru refused to get on his wheel and move up.

Just confirms Aru's lack of race-intelligence ;)
 
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nilfen said:
deValtos said:
nilfen said:
deValtos said:
nilfen said:
Astana is a most naive team, if they think they can challange for the win with the selection of riders they have. And Aru strikes me as rider with little race-intelligence (or is it just lack of experience?)

What riders usually fade in the third week; Froome? What riders retain their strength? Quintana?

When Cataldo and Fugl are out due to injuries it's hard to complain about the team selection. Not to mention Kanget usually does the double and would be here if he'd not been injured. There are only so many top climbers in the world.

But it is not the climbers they lack. It's the riders for the flat and the last 10-20 kms

According to Valgren that's not the case. Aru refused to get on his wheel and move up.

Just confirms Aru's lack of race-intelligence ;)

Some GC riders are not as comfortable in the pack at that stage of the race.
 
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deValtos said:
nilfen said:
deValtos said:
nilfen said:
Astana is a most naive team, if they think they can challange for the win with the selection of riders they have. And Aru strikes me as rider with little race-intelligence (or is it just lack of experience?)

What riders usually fade in the third week; Froome? What riders retain their strength? Quintana?

When Cataldo and Fugl are out due to injuries it's hard to complain about the team selection. Not to mention Kanget usually does the double and would be here if he'd not been injured. There are only so many top climbers in the world.

But it is not the climbers they lack. It's the riders for the flat and the last 10-20 kms

According to Valgren that's not the case. Aru refused to get on his wheel and move up.
Any link ?
 
Got it..
This is from Valgren. He rides with Aru on Astana:

[Asked what happened with Aru]
I don’t know. Ask him. I tried to take him to the front, but he didn’t stick on my wheel. Did we lose the jersey?
[After being told Froome has the jersey after the stage]
Good.
I knew the run in from two years ago, so I knew it was a hard one. It was hectic with the big downhill, and everybody coming from the side. It was kind of a lottery to be in the front. Sometimes you’re there and sometimes you get snapped by the bunch.
I don’t know what happened to Fabio to be honest. We were three guys there I the end, so it was hard to keep in the front."



3 Guys....He wasnt isolated.
 
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Alexandre B. said:
Lupi33x said:
Lets not forget Sagan would've won this stage easily had he not been unjustly DQ'd

for the wheel sucker to over celebrate like that is kind of crass
Why? Sagan is not in the race since 10 days, and didn't win against GVA in 2015.

you forgot stage 3 already? :lol:
 
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silvergrenade said:
Got it..
This is from Valgren. He rides with Aru on Astana:

[Asked what happened with Aru]
I don’t know. Ask him. I tried to take him to the front, but he didn’t stick on my wheel. Did we lose the jersey?
[After being told Froome has the jersey after the stage]
Good.
I knew the run in from two years ago, so I knew it was a hard one. It was hectic with the big downhill, and everybody coming from the side. It was kind of a lottery to be in the front. Sometimes you’re there and sometimes you get snapped by the bunch.
I don’t know what happened to Fabio to be honest. We were three guys there I the end, so it was hard to keep in the front."



3 Guys....He wasnt isolated.

Sounds like he is just being honest.
 
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Forever The Best said:
Ataraxus said:
Brullnux said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
"]Aru was already isolated far from the finish. He had to do everything alone. So he had no chance here.
Do you really believe an isloated Froome/Contador would lose 25 secs on such a finish?
Any GC rider with enough experience would've known that.
He didn't have the legs today
Contador no. Froome might lose that amount of time if isolated.

I don't agree with you on all accounts. Especially in this type of stage a team is crucial in placement
I think the Contador of recent years could definitely lose 25 seconds on a finish like this if isolated.

Contador has lost almost 25 seconds on a finish like that, in the Tour, even perfectly positioned. (Huy 2015)
Yes, Huy and Rodez are perfectly comparable climbs. :rolleyes:
One is 570m at %9,6; the other is 1,3 km at %9,6 with max gradient being %19

The same finish as today, in 2015, where he lost no time: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=27951[/quote]


Lol.
You are giving an example of 2015 in which he los no time, meanwhile today he lost 22. :p[/quote]
Contador doesn't even care about GC that much anymore (he may have been isolated in the stage finish today). Plus, he is very bad on stage finishes like todays nowadays.
 
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Poursuivant said:
Chris Froome (SKY) was 6.6km/h faster than Fabio Aru (AST) in the final 500m, where he gained 25" and the #MaillotJauneLCL.
#TDFdata
Did Aru come to the final 500m with Froome. Because the datas probably aren't accurate for finishes like this. I mean, Froome probably came to the final 500m in the top 20 while Aru was already far back so he probably came to the last 500m a few seconds behind already. Plus, Aru was probably blocked a lot more than Froome, so I don't think Aru came around the same position with Froome and just lost his wheel on the 500m.
 
It is a bit incomprehensible to loose the yellow jersey and some 25 sec just because he suddenly forgot how to race a finale on this type of stage. You don't loose Froome's, Uran's or Bardet's wheel or ignore Valgren if you are sane and fit. It only makes sense if you just can't follow or if you bet that you'll loose the jersey.
 
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Just watched that last km again.
That was really misplaced arrogance to wheel suck then celebrate like that blocking Van Avermaet's line.
Who is this guy and what has he done compared to GVA?