Tour de France 2017 stage 4: Mondorf-les-Bains-Vittel 207 km

[Son of Amsterhammer]

Seems really harsh for something that had a lot of gray.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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The organisers want to show that they are not pus**es, but they chose the wrong accident...

For the million time, organizers =/= commissaires

 

[Irondan]

Joe Papp‏Verified account @joepabike 51s51 seconds ago
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Replying to @joepabike @lancearmstrong
@MarkCavendish wouldn't have crashed if he'd been fit and not (by his own admission) totally dependent on luck to hope for a win. 2

 

[Breh]

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Any news on riders injured by the crash with 1 km to go?

At least two Moviestar riders were down, maybe three. Possibly 2 Orica riders involved. Thomas and maybe one other Sky rider and 1-2 NL-Lotto

The entire quick step train was down aswell. Kittel barely missed that crash.

 

[can3478]

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Le Tour de France‏Verified account @LeTour 20s21 seconds ago
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Le jury des commissaires a pris la décision de mettre Peter Sagan hors course / Commissaires' panel decided to exclude Peter Sagan.
Translated from French by Bing Wrong translation?
The jury of Commissioners has decided to put Peter Sagan out of the race / Commissioners ' panel decided to exclude Peter Sagan.

Yeah, cyclingnews confirms this
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peter-sagan-disqualified-from-tour-de-france/

 

[MatParker117]

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Ashley House‏ @AshleyPresents 1m1 minute ago
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Newsflash: I'm hearing that following DD's complaints, the jury have disqualified Peter Samantha from the tour de France

Peter Samantha?

Autocorrect.

 

[benzwire]

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The organisers want to show that they are not pus**es, but they chose the wrong accident...

For the million time, organizers =/= commissaires

UCI officials, not ASO correct?

 

[Gloin22]

Ahaha what a joke

 

[Irondan]

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Ashley House‏ @AshleyPresents 1m1 minute ago
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Newsflash: I'm hearing that following DD's complaints, the jury have disqualified Peter Samantha from the tour de France

Peter Samantha?

Autocorrect.

Ahhh, I guess it could happen to anyone.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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*** to DSQ Sagan.

I'm already done with the Tour. Time to undo it's status and reverse this race to what it really is, a 2.2 race. Below the Belgian kermesses

 

[Gloin22]

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The organisers want to show that they are not pus**es, but they chose the wrong accident...

For the million time, organizers =/= commissaires

UCI officials, not ASO correct?

They are one and the same, ASO rules cycling and UCI obeys. ASO has the races and the money

 

[rhubroma]

Seems to me the Tour shoots itself in the foot on this one.

 

[Eviter]

Good this will set an example.

To people not to make this normal especially with all those downhill sprints and to ASO for not being scared this time.
People need to get out of Sagan's (...). Even IF that Cav had no space at all. He clearly even widened himself without the need to with his elbow = at least a time penalty. Maybe this is too harsh. But we must not forget that now that the riders association can make changes they will try to use this to shorten the stages, because it stays quite ridiculous to have a 125+ mile stages if all sprinters can ride RVV and P-R and don't get smoked out at all.

 

[Rollthedice]

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****** to DSQ Sagan.

I'm already done with the Tour. Time to undo it's status and reverse this race to what it really is, a 2.2 race. Below the Belgian kermesses

Totally agree. Give Froome the yellow jersey and a French dude the green and be done with it.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

If anyone has the video, look precisely at 204 meters to go, time 4h:53:44.
You can see Cavendish leaning into Sagan right before Sagan's elbow goes out.

 

[Ruby United]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 4: Mondorf-les-Bains-Vittel 20

****** to DSQ Sagan.

I'm already done with the Tour. Time to undo it's status and reverse this race to what it really is, a 2.2 race. Below the Belgian kermesses

There is a post like this every year. Every year.

 

[Gloin22]

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Good this will set an example.

To people not to make this normal especially with all those downhill sprints and to ASO for not being scared this time.
People need to get out of Sagan's (...). Even IF that Cav had no space at all. He clearly even widened himself without the need to with his elbow = at least a time penalty. Maybe this is too harsh. But we must not forget that now that the riders association can make changes they will try to use this to shorten the stages, because it stays quite ridiculous to have a 125+ mile stages if all sprinters can ride RVV and P-R and don't get smoked out at all.

Yea example, right so why is Demare still a winner of this stage? :lol:

 

[rhubroma]

I mean, let's say Sagan was wrong for changing his line, his elbow was certainly a reflex to maintain equilibrium when Cav hit him from behind and not bring the Maxman down.

Since there was no intention, why wouldn't a fine be sufficient?

 

[deValtos]

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Good this will set an example.

To people not to make this normal especially with all those downhill sprints and to ASO for not being scared this time.
People need to get out of Sagan's (...). Even IF that Cav had no space at all. He clearly even widened himself without the need to with his elbow = at least a time penalty. Maybe this is too harsh. But we must not forget that now that the riders association can make changes they will try to use this to shorten the stages, because it stays quite ridiculous to have a 125+ mile stages if all sprinters can ride RVV and P-R and don't get smoked out at all.

Yea example, right so why is Demare still a winner of this stage? :lol:

Yup, incredibly inconsistent. But that's the UCI & ASO for you.

 

[Bolder]

I'm fine with the exclusion. As I said, whether Sagan meant to or not, flicking the elbow seemed to signal intent. It was a judgment call, and the judges clearly saw the same tapes we did, plus probably some overhead views. I actually start cringing every time the sprinters get inside the 1k mark because you know it's either going to end in a DQ or an injury. In this case we get both!

Edit: I maintain that Demare is innocent in this case. He may have been the reason that Sagan moved right but that has nothing to do with the incident.

 

[Krokro]

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****** to DSQ Sagan.

I'm already done with the Tour. Time to undo it's status and reverse this race to what it really is, a 2.2 race. Below the Belgian kermesses

Totally agree. Give Froome the yellow jersey and a French dude the green and be done with it.

Must second this.

 

[arvc40]

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Sagan will have sense of guilt when he lines up tomorrow, maybe. Fines and penalties not nessicary.

Ahahahahaha

I'm guessing it works the same way for manslaughter or even murder then; they now feel bad so that's enough.

Not comparable.

Well, there you go mate, I guess he will feel bad enough now !

 

[IndianCyclist]

dangerous actions have dangerous consequences

 

[luckyboy]

A disqualification is against the UCI's own rules...

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/16/26/68/12-DIS-20170701-E_English.pdf

10.1.Deviating from selected lane, endangering
other riders
1st offence: relegation to the last place in his group, point
classification penalty equal to the points awarded to the first
place of the stage, 200 + 30’’ in general class.
2nd offence: relegation to last place in the stage, point
classification penalty equal to the points awarded to the first
place of the stage, 200 + 1’ in general class.
3rd offence: elimination + 200

 

[GuyIncognito]

Gotta agree with the disqualification.