Tour de France 2017 stage 4: Mondorf-les-Bains-Vittel 207 km

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Who is going to win the stage?

  • Marcel Kittel

    Votes: 50 50.0%

  • André Greipel

    Votes: 5 5.0%

  • Mark Cavendish

    Votes: 6 6.0%

  • Sonny Colbrelli

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Arnaud Demare

    Votes: 15 15.0%

  • Peter Sagan

    Votes: 14 14.0%

  • Dylan Groenewegen

    Votes: 4 4.0%

  • Michael Matthews

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 4 4.0%

  • Vino-option

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .
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Gloin22

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No wonder Trump won.. having reasonable discussions nowdays is impossible..

If you disagree, you are put into hater-lover camp immediately, then justify you hate or love both riders and are totally unbiased :lol:

And then professional experts like Greipel apologize to Sagan but you still have an armchair opinion that is unwavered :lol:

P.S. And then there's Libertine to no matter what will hate Sagan forever cause hes too much of a pimp :eek:
 
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SKSemtex said:
Greipel apology to Sagan is worth 10 times more then any presented video. I am sure he would not have come out with that statement having any doubt about what really had happened there. Unfortuanaly I bought the ticket to Barcelona yesterday by Ryanair just to see stage 14-16.
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Just rebook ticket to Monaco to see Sagan there.
 
perico

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Nacho said:
Knutsen said:
Bavarianrider said:
What a **** disgrace! If they don't Change their decision we all shouldn't watch a single second of this Tour anymore!!
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Yes, lets all walk out on protest! THAT would scare them!!
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Yeah! The Tour has only been around over 100 years and came through 2 world wars unscathed -- I think it can get by this little problem.
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It worked when Urs Zimmerman missed the flight in 1991.
 
The Hegelian

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I think it's a case of the footage being misleading. i.e. from the aerial shot, it looks like Cav's crash is directly caused by Sagan's elbow. And if someone elbows someone into the barriers at 60+kph, it is just to throw them off the race.

But I think the reality was a little more messy and complex. Cav was going for a gap that was at best, risky.(...and he has a real history of doing that.) Sagan didn't really veer off his line - but was pretty aggressive in defending his position. There was mutual contact. It wasn't like A contacts B. It was A and B make contact. Relegation of both seems about right. Throwing Sagan off the race is ridiculous.
 
SKSemtex

SKSemtex

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KGB said:
SKSemtex said:
Greipel apology to Sagan is worth 10 times more then any presented video. I am sure he would not have come out with that statement having any doubt about what really had happened there. Unfortuanaly I bought the ticket to Barcelona yesterday by Ryanair just to see stage 14-16.
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Just rebook ticket to Monaco to see Sagan there.
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We are talking Ryanair here. :)
 
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Well first time I saw it was in my cellphone and look horrible from Sagan.
Now it doesn't look like his elbow was in purpose but he clearly close Cav's line, saying that was no room for Cav is looking it bias... For me Cav's move look just like Gaviria's move on 13 stage of Giro. (And yes I also think he could had won it)
 
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Bicycle tramp

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One positive - it's opened up the green jersey. Lots of points there still.

If the pure sprint stages end up getting shared around, there's a chance for Mathews if he can manage to hoover up intermediate sprints and show up at the end of MMS.
 
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rata de sentina

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Sagan fanboys and Cav haters, the cyclops of cycling.
Sagan is amazing human, his arm operates entirely independently from rest of his body!
Or maybe his centre of gravity was way over to the right relative to his bike?
Wonder why.
 
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AQETUYIOI

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d-s3 said:
Yes. But I've never seen a rider being thrown out of a Grand Tour because of not staying on his line.
Punished? Yes.
Disqualified? Never.

Because then Cav would have to be disqualified dozen times, Demare today, ..., ..., ...
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Being the cause of 3 guys crashing!
 
DirtyWorks

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The Hegelian said:
Cav was going for a gap that was at best, risky.(...and he has a real history of doing that.) Sagan didn't really veer off his line - but was pretty aggressive in defending his position. There was mutual contact. It wasn't like A contacts B. It was A and B make contact. Relegation of both seems about right. Throwing Sagan off the race is ridiculous.
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Pretty much what you posted. I would argue Sagan was coming up *MUCH* faster than Cav, has the dominant position, and then sweeps Cav off an incredibly risky line.

Let's pretend for a minute Sagan didn't sweep Cav. Cav would have tried to force Sagan off the wheel from a relatively weak position, in an incredibly risky line.. Arguments would have been made how Cav was in the wrong by the UCI's own rule book and little would have come of it.

It's an unfortunate situation where, as posted above, the race's most interesting rider is now gone.
 
Pirazziattacks

Pirazziattacks

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Kopuliak said:
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Looks like Sagan gave Cav a nudge with the elbow/shoulder, Cav fell and Sagan continued to extend his arm. Would Sagan have put his elbow all the way out if Cav hadn't fallen?
Hard to be sure if Sagan really is to blame, but nudging a guy into the barriers and the throwing your elbow out is going to draw a lot of attention from the commissaires 99 times out of 100.
 
SlickMongoose

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The Hegelian said:
I think it's a case of the footage being misleading. i.e. from the aerial shot, it looks like Cav's crash is directly caused by Sagan's elbow. And if someone elbows someone into the barriers at 60+kph, it is just to throw them off the race.

But I think the reality was a little more messy and complex. Cav was going for a gap that was at best, risky.(...and he has a real history of doing that.) Sagan didn't really veer off his line - but was pretty aggressive in defending his position. There was mutual contact. It wasn't like A contacts B. It was A and B make contact. Relegation of both seems about right. Throwing Sagan off the race is ridiculous.
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The gap Cav went for wasn't risky in the slightest. He had more than half of the road for goodness sake.
 
The Principal Sheep

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Tdf still plays such a significant role in cycling with sponsors/advertising/media that such rash decision's could harm the sport. No rider should be DQ'd on such ambiguous evidence, especially at the tdf.
 
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AQETUYIOI

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DirtyWorks said:
Pretty much what you posted. I would argue Sagan was coming up *MUCH* faster than Cav, has the dominant position, and then sweeps Cav off an incredibly risky line.

Let's pretend for a minute Sagan didn't sweep Cav. Cav would have tried to force Sagan off the wheel from a relatively weak position, in an incredibly risky line.. Arguments would have been made how Cav was in the wrong by the UCI's own rule book and little would have come of it.

It's an unfortunate situation where, as posted above, the race's most interesting rider is now gone.
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Cav was slower than Sagan?

Cav tried to force Sagan off Démare's wheel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0MgSNtiCI
 
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