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The verbiage I quoted, from letour.fr website, didn't say anything about if it was being applied because of actions before the Sagan-Cav action. It just said "because he endangered seriously several other riders including Mark Cavendisk in the final meters of the sprint".
You can take that if it applied just to the final sprint, or also to the crash before too.
Jericho said:
The verbiage I quoted, from letour.fr website, didn't say anything about if it was being applied because of actions before the Sagan-Cav action. It just said "because he endangered seriously several other riders including Mark Cavendisk in the final meters of the sprint".
You can take that if it applied just to the final sprint, or also to the crash before too.
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Even with the tree, if you go back rewind and play it over a couple of times, it's pretty easy to tell what happens by their body movements. By the time Sagan could truly have known Cav was there, it was too late. Cav was the only one that could have knowingly prevented the crash (by braking or backing off). They both share the blame. See Porte in Stage 6 of the Dauphine for how this crash is avoided.
The paradox for me is that Demare (who is likely going to win anyway) basically puts his fate in the hands of Bouhanni's reflexes, by cutting directly across him. If Bouhanni goes down, is Demare DQ'd too? He knowingly cut directly across him.
Bouhanni got screwed by the Gorilla moments before too. He got double screwed in this sprint.
Jericho said:
Even with the tree, if you go back rewind and play it over a couple of times, it's pretty easy to tell what happens by their body movements. By the time Sagan could truly have known Cav was there, it was too late. Cav was the only one that could have knowingly prevented the crash (by braking or backing off). They both share the blame. See Porte in Stage 6 of the Dauphine for how this crash is avoided.
The paradox for me is that Demare (who is likely going to win anyway) basically puts his fate in the hands of Bouhanni's reflexes, by cutting directly across him. If Bouhanni goes down, is Demare DQ'd too? He knowingly cut directly across him.
Bouhanni got screwed by the Gorilla moments before too. He got double screwed in this sprint.
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I'm sure if he pushed/elbowed someone into the barrier at 60kph they would
klintE said:
I'm sure if he pushed/elbowed someone into the barrier at 60kph they would
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His sponsors would be delighted!
He already had his problems at La Vuelta. So it is only the Giro left!SKSemtex said:I wish Sagan says " **** you Le Tour. I will never come back. It is the borefest anyway.". We could have so much more fun seeing Sagan on Giro and Vuelta.
Btw. GO Drago Go[edited for content]
His sponsors would be delighted!
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I had been thinking before the race that there were simply too many good sprinters in the race for their own good. And today's stage was proof of that. They were just six riders left in the front, yet it was full-on chaos, side-to-side action, dangers all around and risky riding by most parties. And that was even without Kittel, Groenewegen, Colbrelli and Matthews (who isn't a good sprinter, though) in the mix.
And Démare definitely should have been declassified. What he did was much, much more dangerous than Bouhanni's non-offense in the Vattenfall (and I am NOT a Bouhanni supporter).
Son of Amsterhammer said:
I had been thinking before the race that there were simply too many good sprinters in the race for their own good. And today's stage was proof of that. They were just six riders left in the front, yet it was full-on chaos, side-to-side action, dangers all around and risky riding by most parties. And that was even without Kittel, Groenewegen, Colbrelli and Matthews (who isn't a good sprinter, though) in the mix.
And Démare definitely should have been declassified. What he did was much, much more dangerous than Bouhanni's non-offense in the Vattenfall (and I am NOT a Bouhanni supporter).
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Greipel apology to Sagan is worth 10 times more then any presented video. I am sure he would not have come out with that statement having any doubt about what really had happened there. Unfortuanaly I bought the ticket to Barcelona yesterday by Ryanair just to see stage 14-16.
Greipel apology to Sagan is worth 10 times more then any presented video. I am sure he would not have come out with that statement having any doubt about what really had happened there. Unfortuanaly I bought the ticket to Barcelona yesterday by Ryanair just to see stage 14-16.
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Ok. I'll watch tomorrow's stage like I watch a naked lady through my fingers!Nacho said:
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UCI took a ballsy decision given they only care about money and Sagan bring to the sport many eyes who otherwise would not be interested as numerous examples in this thread show.
If you follow cycling outside the Tour, you would know that Sagan is a repeat offender. He had it coming for a long time.Son of Amsterhammer said:
UCI took a ballsy decision given they only care about money and Sagan bring to the sport many eyes who otherwise would not be interested as numerous examples in this thread show.
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I am sure you are not right, true is that the british riders are not obliged to follow the rules and are protected, just imagine rider running uphill on Mount Ventoux - automatic expulsion and what was the outcome?
Also Cav well known for his dirty sprints, never punished. But UCI Must be stiff when the rabble from east is in question!
Pricey_sky said:
I am sure you are not right, true is that the british riders are not obliged to follow the rules and are protected, just imagine rider running uphill on Mount Ventoux - automatic expulsion and what was the outcome?
Also Cav well known for his dirty sprints, never punished. But UCI Must be stiff when the rabble from east is in question!
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Seriously though, if you ain't bumping you ain't racing. Riders elbow, bump, deviate from lines. My pet peeve is the caravan drafting, though, that I think is (by far) the most dangerous bit of allowed rule-breaking. Next to that, the line changes. That also happens too often. Several times this stage (Demare was thisclose to clipping Bouhanni's front wheel). Just last stage with Sagan and Martin. Some of that GoPro footage at the end of races is particularly galling.
But what's done is done, by now. At the bottom of it is, I think, that humans are both hypocritical and reactionary by nature. Sometimes those impulses cancel each other out, but most often they just reinforce one another and we get this self-sustaining pendulum of over and under-reactions. And I do think over-reactions like this are useful to some extent, they set the inflection points, they power the endless washing of the waves of public reaction on the beachfronts of complacency and expediency that those in charge of enforcing the rules so often accommodate on.
Richie Porte sends you his warmest wishes.Pricey_sky said:
Seriously though, if you ain't bumping you ain't racing. Riders elbow, bump, deviate from lines. My pet peeve is the caravan drafting, though, that I think is (by far) the most dangerous bit of allowed rule-breaking. Next to that, the line changes. That also happens too often. Several times this stage (Demare was thisclose to clipping Bouhanni's front wheel). Just last stage with Sagan and Martin. Some of that GoPro footage at the end of races is particularly galling.
But what's done is done, by now. At the bottom of it is, I think, that humans are both hypocritical and reactionary by nature. Sometimes those impulses cancel each other out, but most often they just reinforce one another and we get this self-sustaining pendulum of over and under-reactions. And I do think over-reactions like this are useful to some extent, they set the inflection points, they power the endless washing of the waves of public reaction on the beachfronts of complacency and expediency that those in charge of enforcing the rules so often accommodate on.
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