Tour de France 2019

[Leinster]

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Have you ever seen champion to crash 3 times per Tour? If I remember correctly I have seen LA crashing just after the comeback, not 99 - 05 period, same with Contador, who started to crash latter in the carrier when he did not win Tour again. I do not remember Big Mig to crash 91 - 95, even Riis crashed 97 and not 96. Same with Ulrich ... .

Wasn’t it 86 when Hinault broke his nose in a fall?m
Edit; No! It was 85, the year he won his last Tour!

 

[klintE]

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Have you ever seen champion to crash 3 times per Tour? If I remember correctly I have seen LA crashing just after the comeback, not 99 - 05 period, same with Contador, who started to crash latter in the carrier when he did not win Tour again. I do not remember Big Mig to crash 91 - 95, even Riis crashed 97 and not 96. Same with Ulrich ... .

Froome, AIRC, has crashed on every Tour he won.

 

[lartiste]

You are right even I remember that LA fll down together with Iban Mayo due to musette of fan ... . But 3 times in Tour is still exceptional.

 

[Leinster]

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Have you ever seen champion to crash 3 times per Tour? If I remember correctly I have seen LA crashing just after the comeback, not 99 - 05 period, same with Contador, who started to crash latter in the carrier when he did not win Tour again. I do not remember Big Mig to crash 91 - 95, even Riis crashed 97 and not 96. Same with Ulrich ... .

Froome, AIRC, has crashed on every Tour he won.

And on stage 1 last year.

 

[del1962]

Froome was taken out by Contador on descent to gap 2013

 

[movingtarget]

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Froome was taken out by Contador on descent to gap 2013

Contador couldn't stop crashing in the second half of his career.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Will the strongest riders in the Pyrenees also be the strongest in the Alps? Someone who was good last week can still get a bad day in the third week. The heat, the high expectations, the succession of climbs can demand their toll. Pinot could finish it off if he still has the legs, but he's not rid of the Ineos duo yet. The final climbs aren't that steep, so it will be about endurance over three weeks more than about explosivity. Kruijswijk should be one of the most consistent, but he complained about the heat. Even Buchmann and Landa aren't completely out of it. Logic would have Alaphilippe crack and lose minutes, but you never know.

 

[Singer01]

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Will the strongest riders in the Pyrenees also be the strongest in the Alps? Someone who was good last week can still get a bad day in the third week. The heat, the high expectations, the succession of climbs can demand their toll. Pinot could finish it off if he still has the legs, but he's not rid of the Ineos duo yet. The final climbs aren't that steep, so it will be about endurance over three weeks more than about explosivity. Kruijswijk should be one of the most consistent, but he complained about the heat. Even Buchmann and Landa aren't completely out of it. Logic would have Alaphilippe crack and lose minutes, but you never know.

Completely out of it? He isn't remotely out of it.

 

[Scarponi]

Doesn’t matter out of the top 5 who wins this tour, it will go down as one of the weakest climbing performances in the modern peloton. Bar Pinot and small Bernal attacks no one has really
Done anything

 

[tobydawq]

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Doesn’t matter out of the top 5 who wins this tour, it will go down as one of the weakest climbing performances in the modern peloton. Bar Pinot and small Bernal attacks no one has really
Done anything

How do you assess whether they are equally good or equally bad?

 

[wirral]

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Doesn’t matter out of the top 5 who wins this tour, it will go down as one of the weakest climbing performances in the modern peloton. Bar Pinot and small Bernal attacks no one has really
Done anything

Ban power meters and radios. :razz:

 

[wirral]

http://www.twitter.com/JournalVelo

Thought for the day: just about everyone agrees this Tour has been thrilling. It has also involved race radios and power meters, so maybe banning those is not the answer.

Don't ban power meters or radios. :lol:

 

[Koronin]

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Doesn’t matter out of the top 5 who wins this tour, it will go down as one of the weakest climbing performances in the modern peloton. Bar Pinot and small Bernal attacks no one has really
Done anything

2011 bad or worse?

 

[MightyWheelSucker]

I hope JA, Egan and G to get podium in Paris, then Ineos announces JA to join them and whole podium plus GdI winner to do train for Chris next year

 

[Gigs_98]

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Doesn’t matter out of the top 5 who wins this tour, it will go down as one of the weakest climbing performances in the modern peloton. Bar Pinot and small Bernal attacks no one has really
Done anything

2011 bad or worse?

2011 was such a weird one. It seemed like nobody even tried in the pyrenees and then in the alps we never got a shootout on the last climb to properly compare climbing performances. However if you ask me, of this current peloton I don't think anyone could have done what andy did on the galibier stage.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Doesn’t matter out of the top 5 who wins this tour, it will go down as one of the weakest climbing performances in the modern peloton. Bar Pinot and small Bernal attacks no one has really
Done anything

2011 bad or worse?

I liked 2011!!!
The Galibier stage was one of my favorites!

Altitude always punishing the riders.

 

[Cookster15]

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Doesn’t matter out of the top 5 who wins this tour, it will go down as one of the weakest climbing performances in the modern peloton. Bar Pinot and small Bernal attacks no one has really
Done anything

2011 bad or worse?

3rd week of 2011 was awesome in the mountains certainly far more attacking than this year. This year was good because so many contenders and hard to predict who might win. In 2011 Contador courageous despite Giro legs and early race crashes. The Galibier stage 18 with Schleck's 60km raid and Evans dropping the entire GC bar Andy and Frank one of the most amazing stages of the last 20 years at least. Then add 16 (Contador), 17 (Contador) and 19 (Contador again).

When Contador is involved you cannot claim it was a weak climbing field.

 

[Ludwigzgz]

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Doesn’t matter out of the top 5 who wins this tour, it will go down as one of the weakest climbing performances in the modern peloton. Bar Pinot and small Bernal attacks no one has really
Done anything

2011 bad or worse?

3rd week of 2011 was awesome in the mountains certainly far more attacking than this year. This year was good because so many contenders and hard to predict who might win. In 2011 Contador courageous despite Giro legs and early race crashes. The Galibier stage 18 with Schleck's 60km raid and Evans dropping the entire GC bar Andy and Frank one of the most amazing stages of the last 20 years at least. Then add 16 (Contador), 17 (Contador) and 19 (Contador again).

When Contador is involved you cannot claim it was a weak climbing field.

Next year 21 flat stages. The best Tour in all times. No bonus. All to be decided on stage 21 a les Champs Elyseeeees
A lot of contenders on the same time

 

[RedheadDane]

Err… just a question:
There are two cat 4 climbs tomorrow; the KOM might not be settled today?

 

[boneshaker]

Whole GC podium without a stage win. Did it happen before?

 

[Finn84]

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Whole GC podium without a stage win. Did it happen before?

1956.

2006 almost. Pereiro and Klöden didn't win stage while Sastre got credited a stage after Landis DQ.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Err… just a question:
There are two cat 4 climbs tomorrow; the KOM might not be settled today?

Is it only 2pts for a cat 4 though, I think Bardet is 8 clear

 

[RedheadDane]

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Err… just a question:
There are two cat 4 climbs tomorrow; the KOM might not be settled today?

Is it only 2pts for a cat 4 though, I think Bardet is 8 clear

Obviously it's settled now, but imagine if Bernal had taken the jersey today, Bardet had been only 3 points behind: Might he have attacked to get those last points and the jersey?
(I don't think Bernal would have attempted to get the jersey, even if possible.)

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Err… just a question:
There are two cat 4 climbs tomorrow; the KOM might not be settled today?

Is it only 2pts for a cat 4 though, I think Bardet is 8 clear

Obviously it's settled now, but imagine if Bernal had taken the jersey today, Bardet had been only 3 points behind: Might he have attacked to get those last points and the jersey?
(I don't think Bernal would have attempted to get the jersey, even if possible.)

Yeah I think in that case Bardet would probably have tried to get the points. Bernal would have too busy sipping champagne at the back.

 

[Carols]

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Whole GC podium without a stage win. Did it happen before?

1956.

2006 almost. Pereiro and Klöden didn't win stage while Sastre got credited a stage after Landis DQ.

Last time a winner never even podiumed a stage?