Tour de France 2019

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Koronin said:
movingtarget said:
tobydawq said:
movingtarget said:
Koronin said:
Not exactly accurate. Valverde will be in the race and is a GT winner. However, unlikely as it is that he'll win the Tour especially with all the high altitude in this year's Tour.

Forgot Valverde but I don't see him as a serious contender for the podium. Landa could be interesting depending on how the Giro affected him. Really he should have podiumed at the Giro.

There may even be a fifth GT winner participating.[/quoteS

Simon Yates ?


Adam Yates is, but I haven't seen confirmation that Simon is racing it yet or not. Same with Aru, don't know if he is or isn't. So it's possible either one is the 5th and if both then 5th and 6th.

I was thinking Aru. But Mitchelton have been very secretive about their selection so I guess you can't rule Simon Yates out with 100 percent certainty. I don't think he will be going, though.
 
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Nirvana said:
Broccolidwarf said:
Cinemaniak said:
Who will dominate the final in the sprint stages? (not winning I mean)

DCQ: Asgreen, Lampaert, Richeze and Morkov (Viviani)
Jumbo Visma: Martin, Van Aert, Jansen and Teunissen (Groenewegen)
TTD: Vermote, King, EBH, Eisel and Jans v Reinsburg (Cav)
Lotto: De Gendt, Keukeleire, De Buyst and Kluge (Ewan)

I think the first two teams are exactly on the same level, with Groenewegen being faster, but less experienced. But his team is so much more improved since last year with Tony Martin, Van Aert and Teunissen there. It's the first time in years I can't tell if DCQ has the best lead-out. TTD and Lotto could benefit when somehow it's not working out for the first two teams, but not quite on the same level.

Man, I'd love to see Asgreen and Martin go head to head, from 2k to 1k :D
Viviani said to the Gazzetta that the first wagon to take the others in front with 1,5 kms to go and launch the train into the last km will be Alaphilippe because is great in positioning and can do a long pull.
Asgreen will likely do the grunt work at the front of the peloton.
 
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Alexandre B. said:
Nirvana said:
Broccolidwarf said:
Cinemaniak said:
Who will dominate the final in the sprint stages? (not winning I mean)

DCQ: Asgreen, Lampaert, Richeze and Morkov (Viviani)
Jumbo Visma: Martin, Van Aert, Jansen and Teunissen (Groenewegen)
TTD: Vermote, King, EBH, Eisel and Jans v Reinsburg (Cav)
Lotto: De Gendt, Keukeleire, De Buyst and Kluge (Ewan)

I think the first two teams are exactly on the same level, with Groenewegen being faster, but less experienced. But his team is so much more improved since last year with Tony Martin, Van Aert and Teunissen there. It's the first time in years I can't tell if DCQ has the best lead-out. TTD and Lotto could benefit when somehow it's not working out for the first two teams, but not quite on the same level.

Man, I'd love to see Asgreen and Martin go head to head, from 2k to 1k :D
Viviani said to the Gazzetta that the first wagon to take the others in front with 1,5 kms to go and launch the train into the last km will be Alaphilippe because is great in positioning and can do a long pull.
Asgreen will likely do the grunt work at the front of the peloton.
Why not Lampaert? I'm also curious to see where Jumbo-Visma is going to use WvA. Teunissen is bound to be the last guy for Dylan, but Jansen and Van Aert could do the same job.
 
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Cinemaniak said:
Alexandre B. said:
Nirvana said:
Broccolidwarf said:
Cinemaniak said:
Who will dominate the final in the sprint stages? (not winning I mean)

DCQ: Asgreen, Lampaert, Richeze and Morkov (Viviani)
Jumbo Visma: Martin, Van Aert, Jansen and Teunissen (Groenewegen)
TTD: Vermote, King, EBH, Eisel and Jans v Reinsburg (Cav)
Lotto: De Gendt, Keukeleire, De Buyst and Kluge (Ewan)

I think the first two teams are exactly on the same level, with Groenewegen being faster, but less experienced. But his team is so much more improved since last year with Tony Martin, Van Aert and Teunissen there. It's the first time in years I can't tell if DCQ has the best lead-out. TTD and Lotto could benefit when somehow it's not working out for the first two teams, but not quite on the same level.

Man, I'd love to see Asgreen and Martin go head to head, from 2k to 1k :D
Viviani said to the Gazzetta that the first wagon to take the others in front with 1,5 kms to go and launch the train into the last km will be Alaphilippe because is great in positioning and can do a long pull.
Asgreen will likely do the grunt work at the front of the peloton.
Why not Lampaert? I'm also curious to see where Jumbo-Visma is going to use WvA. Teunissen is bound to be the last guy for Dylan, but Jansen and Van Aert could do the same job.
Because he'll be part of the train, Lampaert, Morkov and Richeze were the first thing Viviani asked to Lefevere for the Tour after crying for the leadout at the Giro.
 
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Alexandre B. said:
tobydawq said:
Popchu said:
vladimir said:
William Bonet selected for Groupama-FDJ??? So they decide that 7 riders are enough? Bonnet is 37 and hasn't shown anything for almost 10 years. Plenty of young promising riders who could have done a far better job supporting Pinot.
This seems a bit harsh. I do not follow Bonnet nor FDJ closely, but maybe he is of high value in the first hours in the race, knows how to guide Pinot through the peloton and is important for the mental aspect of his leaders during a three week race? A lot of valuable work is not broadcasted.

This is probably the reason but him being selected does remind me of the selections of Jesús Hernández and Benjamín Noval for many of Contador's squads.

Looking at Bonnet's recent results doesn't provide one with anything informative regarding his level because he always plays the role of helper.

But it's three years since his last Tour, so it does seem a bit surprising that he was selected this year.
Bonnet is the best helper of Pinot on flat terrain and has been part of his squad for quite some time.

He's also been alongside Pinot in his last two stage races (Dauphine & l'Ain), so I guess he has proved his worth with his domestique duties in those...
 
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Flamin said:
Wtf, Philipsen? These guys are nuts. Worst decision ever to go to UAE.
If I remember correctly... UAE did the same thing with Matej Mohoric in 2017. Some of these youngster are able to take on more than others. I think Philipsen is capable of doing so, but surely needing a rest after this.
 
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Cinemaniak said:
Flamin said:
Wtf, Philipsen? These guys are nuts. Worst decision ever to go to UAE.
If I remember correctly... UAE did the same thing with Matej Mohoric in 2017. Some of these youngster are able to take on more than others. I think Philipsen is capable of doing so, but surely needing a rest after this.

If they want to bring a youngster, Pogacar would be the logical choice in my book - I agree Philipsen is an odd choice.
 
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Flamin said:
Wtf, Philipsen? These guys are nuts. Worst decision ever to go to UAE.
Maybe not. I doubt he'll have to do too many dom duties in the non-Kristoff stages ...and then only the lead-outs.

Will be a walk in the park compared to his spring classics program. Just finish with the pure sprinters in every semi mountain stage.

It's only a problem if his recovery is poor and they don't send him home.





Logic-is-your-friend said:
yaco said:
Eyeballs Out said:
yaco said:
My reading is Mas lack of form has cost Gilbert his spot in the TDF - More confidence in Mas means that Gilbert rides the TDF instead of Lampaert.
My reading of it is that they have three objectives in the Tour (sprints, KOM, GC) and Gilbert doesn't fit with any of those. Moreover, it makes sense for Gilbert to focus on the Worlds and do the Vuelta instead

DQS have more faith in Viviani, hence Lampaert for extra support - I can understand their thinking.
Not just that, but eventhough Gilbert is a decent TT'er, Lampaert is clearly better. So it's also a better deal for Mas, with the TTT in mind.
Gilbert is clearly a better TTer than Devenyns, though. Devenyns can't support Mas in the mountains, either. Maybe Alaf in the breakaways, but...

Have to agree with Gilbert that it doesn't make much sense from a sporting perspective. Alaphilippe and Devenyns are friends, though...
 
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Cinemaniak said:
Flamin said:
Wtf, Philipsen? These guys are nuts. Worst decision ever to go to UAE.
If I remember correctly... UAE did the same thing with Matej Mohoric in 2017. Some of these youngster are able to take on more than others. I think Philipsen is capable of doing so, but surely needing a rest after this.

Philipsen was pretty spent after a loaded spring campaign. That doesn't scream that he's capable of doing so at this point.

18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Flamin said:
Wtf, Philipsen? These guys are nuts. Worst decision ever to go to UAE.
Maybe not. I doubt he'll have to do too many dom duties in the non-Kristoff stages ...and then only the lead-outs.

Will be a walk in the park compared to his spring classics program. Just finish with the pure sprinters in every semi mountain stage.

It's only a problem if his recovery is poor and they don't send him home.

The kid just turned 21 and has already been racing heavily up til now. Even finishing in the grupetto in most of the stages, is going to cost a lot of energy over 3 weeks. Nothing suggests that riding a GT, let alone the Tour, is going to do him any good in this stage of his career. Not that I expect UAE to care about that.
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Flamin said:
Wtf, Philipsen? These guys are nuts. Worst decision ever to go to UAE.
Maybe not. I doubt he'll have to do too many dom duties in the non-Kristoff stages ...and then only the lead-outs.

Will be a walk in the park compared to his spring classics program. Just finish with the pure sprinters in every semi mountain stage.

It's only a problem if his recovery is poor and they don't send him home.





Logic-is-your-friend said:
yaco said:
Eyeballs Out said:
yaco said:
My reading is Mas lack of form has cost Gilbert his spot in the TDF - More confidence in Mas means that Gilbert rides the TDF instead of Lampaert.
My reading of it is that they have three objectives in the Tour (sprints, KOM, GC) and Gilbert doesn't fit with any of those. Moreover, it makes sense for Gilbert to focus on the Worlds and do the Vuelta instead

DQS have more faith in Viviani, hence Lampaert for extra support - I can understand their thinking.
Not just that, but eventhough Gilbert is a decent TT'er, Lampaert is clearly better. So it's also a better deal for Mas, with the TTT in mind.
Gilbert is clearly a better TTer than Devenyns, though. Devenyns can't support Mas in the mountains, either. Maybe Alaf in the breakaways, but...

Have to agree with Gilbert that it doesn't make much sense from a sporting perspective. Alaphilippe and Devenyns are friends, though...


It doesn't make much sense. Wonder if this decision is that it's likely both Gilbert and Mas are leaving at the end of the year? With this lineup an offer from Movistar to Mas where he'll have a lot more support in the mountains may be looking better.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
yaco said:
Eyeballs Out said:
yaco said:
My reading is Mas lack of form has cost Gilbert his spot in the TDF - More confidence in Mas means that Gilbert rides the TDF instead of Lampaert.
My reading of it is that they have three objectives in the Tour (sprints, KOM, GC) and Gilbert doesn't fit with any of those. Moreover, it makes sense for Gilbert to focus on the Worlds and do the Vuelta instead

Have to agree with Gilbert that it doesn't make much sense from a sporting perspective. Alaphilippe and Devenyns are friends, though...

It might be a term in ALAs new contract, that he gets to select a rider to back him up for every race :cool:
 
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Broccolidwarf said:
Alexandre B. said:
UAE Emirates
Aru
Bystrøm
Costa
Henao
Kristoff
Laengen
Martin
Philipsen

On paper, Aru, Henao and Costa should be good help for Martin in the mountains, but UAE seem incapable of riding as a team in stage races, so we'll see ;)
Strange selection, if Stephens wasn't pulling the strings I'd be worried. Hopefully Aru will be working for Martin and Philipsen leaves 7 to 10 stages in.
 
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Adam Yates is, but I haven't seen confirmation that Simon is racing it yet or not. Same with Aru, don't know if he is or isn't. So it's possible either one is the 5th and if both then 5th and 6th.[/quote]

I was thinking Aru. But Mitchelton have been very secretive about their selection so I guess you can't rule Simon Yates out with 100 percent certainty. I don't think he will be going, though.[/quote]

Forgot about Aru. I wonder if he would have been better waiting for the Vuelta I guess there is pressure for him to ride and he is probably itching to ride another grand tour. Yes I doubt that Simon Yates will show up when he can be fresh for the Vuelta if inclined to ride.
 
Mitchelton Scott team for the TDF is A.Yates.S.Yates. Haig, Trentin, Impey, Hepburn, Juul-Jensen and Durbridge - Once again White has thrown out left field selections for the TDF - MS better hope their leader A.Yates than his key domestiques.
 
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yaco said:
Mitchelton Scott team for the TDF is A.Yates.S.Yates. Haig, Trentin, Impey, Hepburn, Juul-Jensen and Durbridge - Once again White has thrown out left field selections for the TDF - MS better hope their leader A.Yates than his key domestiques.

Durbridge and Juul make sense, they are both good for the TTT and can both climb moderately well.
Haig and Simon make sense for the mountains.

I do question Hepburn, Impey and Trentin being in the squad. Hepburn is worthless on any gradient (but great for the TTT), while Impey/Trentin seem more like a back up plan for stage wins, if Adam falls through.

Though, it should be said, both Impey and Trentin might have pulled a "Cort", and dropped a bunch of weight, to be more competitive on the long climbs.
 
Hepburn is obviously a selection for the ttt.

Impey and Trentin can both get over some decent size hills if needed to help a gc effort, but they can also win small-group or reduced-bunch sprints for stage wins if/when the Yateses drop out of gc contention.