Tour de France 2020 | Stage 15 (Lyon - Grand Colombier, 174.5 km)

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Why is it that when we see a small breakaway group, like today's, we see a double line formation, but in team time trials the rides drop directly from first to last when their spell on the front is done? Is this the difference between everyone giving their all against everyone trying to do no more that the guy who is doing least?
 
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it's an accident that doesn't happen if he looks where he's going.

I am not saying Jungels is completely without blame - it was not an incidental accident. But neither was it a result from behavior of a timed build up where he had a chance to consciously consider the repercussions of his action. Someone like Groenewegen knew, or had a opportunity to know what his actions would cause.
 
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Is this really all Sagan can do? Constantly losing to Morkov...
Sagan was never gonna win this in the straight up sprints

Looks like Bennett is getting savvy to with the drafters. He played a good game of chicken with Sagan today
 
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Sagan seems hopeless against Bennet and QS. At first Bennet didnt let him to break and now they schooled him at sprint. This game is over.

Bennett is just faster than him and there’s no way to force the issue on today’s parcours. If Green comes down to the individual placings he’s lost to Mørkøv at intermediates it will be pretty funny though.
 
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This is your theory. Some people also go out of the way to judge a rider they do not like. It goes both ways, and there is no way we can escape our biases unless we are completely dispassionate about the riders. Luckily, this is not the case, as the debate would be potentially boring with only one correct opinion. Cycling is not a black and white sport - that is what makes it so great. Let's never pretend it is black and white for if we do, the magic will be lost.
I actually (after a couple of initial posts poking fun at myself) criticised the Sagan DQ in 2017 and thought the original relegation was sufficient - and my post above was not about Sagan the rider but more about the reaction it drew. In the wake of Groenewegen/Jakobsen, there was a lot of talk that the UCI was partly culpable because they never punished such moves unless there was a crash, and that they should punish moves like that even if there wasn't a crash, to prevent incidents like that happening again. But we've seen a lot of people criticising them punishing somebody for precisely that violation despite there not being a crash - which was apparently what we wanted. The problem is, judging such moves when there isn't an incident becomes far more of a judgement call; at the same time judging solely on outcome is fraught with danger as people could be severely injured by an innocuous incident, or walk unscathed from a brutal incident.

And let's not pretend personal opinions don't impact our views on these incidents. I mean, Mark Renshaw committed two relegation violations within about three seconds back in 2010, but a lot of people thought it unfair to disqualify him. Yet what were the commissaires to do? He's a leadout man, he doesn't care about being relegated to the back of his group and his sprinter just won the stage. You can't punish Cavendish for Renshaw's actions, because he's done nothing wrong. And Renshaw has committed two offences in quick succession. It was perhaps a difficult one because usually a first offence will merit a relegation and a warning but continued violation will be an expulsion, but Renshaw didn't have time to be warned for his first violation before committing the second. If you like, it was like a footballer committing a yellow card-worthy foul, but then committing a second one while the ref was playing advantage for the first one.
 
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Why is it that when we see a small breakaway group, like today's, we see a double line formation, but in team time trials the rides drop directly from first to last when their spell on the front is done? Is this the difference between everyone giving their all against everyone trying to do no more that the guy who is doing least?
If you come out of your armchair more (joke!), you would realize that some stretches of courses are suitable for e.g. a 10-15 second pull / per rider, especially tailwind sections. If there is a sidewind or headwind, conditions are harder to keep up the speed, so the pulls are much shorter and so it is beneficial to rotate in a kind of echelon. It also depends if you have riders of the same calibre, or you have some very strong and some weaker riders. If you have riders of same strength, an echelon is easier to shape and keep rotating. If there are some big engines that can take longer pulls, the weaker riders will drop much quicker to the back of the group.
 
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The goal of some of the main teams should be at least whittling down JV on that first climb, make them use the stronger riders earlier. Not much point in letting riders be pack fodder without taking a single pull, then dropping off mid climb. Climbing starts in about 25 minutes
 
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This is your theory. Some people also go out of the way to judge a rider they do not like. It goes both ways, and there is no way we can escape our biases unless we are completely dispassionate about the riders. Luckily, this is not the case, as the debate would be potentially boring with only one correct opinion. Cycling is not a black and white sport - that is what makes it so great. Let's never pretend it is black and white for if we do, the magic will be lost.
Careless behavior that's dangerous to other isn't a grey area.
 
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The way Bora and DQS are using every legitimate move to try and outmanouevre each other for green is top entertainment.

It's probably the best thing about the Tour this year which is typical given that they tried so hard to have less sprinting this year

There has been very little romance or panache in the yellow jersey comp for me this year but hopefully The Condor changes that today
 
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First climb is a big moment cause it will show if teams want to make the race hard to pressure Roglic or if they wanna go Tony Martin pace over Fromentel and Col de Biche.
 
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does the presence of a lot of more Colombians(and Landa) than a month ago will make any diference in the G.Colombier??
should Voughters start legal action too??
 
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