Tour de France 2020 | Stage 15 (Lyon - Grand Colombier, 174.5 km)

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Jul 13, 2012
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I am so, so sorry for Higuita and I don't hold him responsible in any way, but I think it just happens, it does not help to punish Jungels.

It was a dangerous and reckless move, so much as like Sagan was punished, or Groenewegen was, Jungels should be.

Otherwise, might as well give carte blance for Oss to go and do the same to Bennett, and Rowe to do the same to Roglic
 
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May 25, 2018
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That was dumb by Jungels. He should be punished.
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May 5, 2010
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Jungels should be at least fined and relegated

Relagated to what position? Back of the group he finishes in? He could very well finish on his own. Or maybe he'll finish in the gruppetto, at which point I don't think he'll care much about being listed as having finished last there.
 
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May 14, 2017
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Jungels- life ban from the group ride. But it's racing so he won't suffer any serious consequences for his amateurish riding.
 
Feb 20, 2010
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I thought that after the Groenewegen/Jakobsen incident we were supposed to be calling the UCI to police the bunch according to action rather than outcome, but this week we've seen a lot of people go out of their way to exonerate a rider for a dangerous action without a bad outcome, largely because they like him or because it is good for the race action to not punish him. Now we have a case where the action is similar but the outcome is worse, and apparently we're back to brandishing pitchforks.
 
Jul 13, 2012
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It was a racing incident. Not sure their was any malicious intent. Though, bit of bad move by Jungels not to put his hand up as an apology.

Sagan and Groenewegen were racing incidents and there was no malicious intent tbf. They still deserved their punishment
 
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Don't think that Jungels has to be punished.

I really hope that Higuita is ok and can race the WC.
 
Jul 13, 2012
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I thought that after the Groenewegen/Jakobsen incident we were supposed to be calling the UCI to police the bunch according to action rather than outcome, but this week we've seen a lot of people go out of their way to exonerate a rider for a dangerous action without a bad outcome, largely because they like him or because it is good for the race action to not punish him. Now we have a case where the action is similar but the outcome is worse, and apparently we're back to brandishing pitchforks.

I think it's only natural. Like Kwiatowski and Roglic did same to Dumoulin and Pogacar. Uphill so lot slower speed so damage wasn't as bad. Jungels did it on a downhill section and speed was higher. All 3 were negligent imo but Jungels was the more dangerous move
 
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Sagan and Groenewegen were racing incidents and there was no malicious intent tbf. They still deserved their punishment

Groenewegen and Sagan had much more culpa in their actions. Jungels was not cognitively aware of his action being an invasive action towards anyone which could possibly result in harm. So they in no way similar situations. What Jungels caused is an actual accident. What happened through Groenewegen was not.
 
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Jul 13, 2012
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Groenewegen and Sagan had much more culpa in their actions. Jungels was not cognitively aware of his action being an invasive action towards anyone which could possibly result in harm. So they in no way similar situations. What Jungels caused is an actual accident. What happened through Groenewegen was not.

He should have been aware though. He cut across Higuita. Be like out if you're out driving and you overtake someone and then swing in too early. You're hoping the other driver realises in the split second that you're doing something dangerous and stops. You're still responsible if there's a crash
 
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Sagan seems hopeless against Bennet and QS. At first Bennet didnt let him to break and now they schooled him at sprint. This game is over.
 
Feb 20, 2012
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Groenewegen and Sagan had much more culpa in their actions. Jungels was not cognitively aware of his action being an invasive action towards anyone which could possibly result in harm. So they in no way similar situations. What Jungels caused is an actual accident. What happened through Groenewegen was not.
it's an accident that doesn't happen if he looks where he's going.
 
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I thought that after the Groenewegen/Jakobsen incident we were supposed to be calling the UCI to police the bunch according to action rather than outcome, but this week we've seen a lot of people go out of their way to exonerate a rider for a dangerous action without a bad outcome, largely because they like him or because it is good for the race action to not punish him. Now we have a case where the action is similar but the outcome is worse, and apparently we're back to brandishing pitchforks.
This is your theory. Some people also go out of the way to judge a rider they do not like. It goes both ways, and there is no way we can escape our biases unless we are completely dispassionate about the riders. Luckily, this is not the case, as the debate would be potentially boring with only one correct opinion. Cycling is not a black and white sport - that is what makes it so great. Let's never pretend it is black and white for if we do, the magic will be lost.
 
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