Tour de France Tour de France 2021, Stage 11: Sorgues – Malaucène, 198.9 km

[burning]

Well, Cav is easily safe, but he got dropped by Froome.

 

[movingtarget]

really? seems to me that carapaz may be exactly where he is, because that is what he is as a rider. y think he can do more?

Yes but he still might manage a podium.

 

[titan31]

Cav made the time anyway at just under 41 mins

 

[Richeypen]

Well, Cav is easily safe, but he got dropped by Froome.

Froome put 2 mins into Quintana, it's just like old times

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Cav in, 7 minutes to spare.

 

[Breezy1985]

GC

Ineos are so miserable. Could they not have just let O'Connor have his moment

 

[Pricey_sky]

A further reminder on one of the basic rules we have folks.

Please keep any clinic talk and accusations in that part of the forum. That is the only you can discuss such matters.

 

[jarvo]

it goes to show how well the grupetto pace it. Cav finished 3 minutes down on Matthews in the end but matthews was with the peloton just outside Bedoin before the 2nd ascent

 

[MartinGT]

Ineos are so miserable. Could they not have just let O'Connor have his moment

They're doing a Movistar that's all

 

[Big Doopie]

Yes but he still might manage a podium.

agreed. 100%.

just not sure y so many posters have decided that he is underperforming. based on what exactly? their own wishful thinking?

 

[titan31]

it goes to show how well the grupetto pace it. Cav finished 3 minutes down on Matthews in the end but matthews was with the peloton just outside Bedoin before the 2nd ascent

Looks like Cav got dropped by the grupetto as he was with Colbrelli, Philipsen and Bol at one point

 

[SKSemtex]

I'd not overlook how much work and active racing WVA did to force the break and his part in it today. Definitely doesn't get that freedom on another day but his ride was herculean today and I'd not be surprised if he was up with the best from GC had he just sat in the pack all day.



Just don't see it happening. Cav in green is a huge feel good story (depending how into your cycling your are...) and an interest boost in the competition.

Allowing people to continue if they are out of limits is real *** not good story. Very unfair to other "real" cyclists who have to ride every day, help the team leaders and never be able to win the stage because of idiotic sprinters teams bringing their relaxed, rested (out of limit) track ryders 200 m to the finish line.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So, if 80 riders miss the time cut, is it the correct %?

2016 Formigal, 91 riders (55,4% the race péloton at that point) missed the time cut by a huge margin. They were 54 minutes behind on a stage which took 2h 54 minutes for the leaders to complete, 31% outside the winner's time - a level that would see you cut from most time trials. That group included people who've top 10ed many a Grand Tour, like Robert Gesink, Tejay van Garderen, Leopold König and Pello Bilbao. The issue is, once the gruppetto is big enough, they know they're safe and won't get bounced from the race, so they don't need to work hard. Only occasionally (one time in Tirreno-Adriatico in the 90s, for example) will the organisers go hard on the autobus when they're deemed not to have respected the race. The problem is the penalties, if the riders aren't thrown out of the race, only impact a small number of riders (those contesting the points classification) since a time penalty means nothing to guys already missing time cuts, and points penalties only impacts those who are contesting the points classification - and ironically, the guys contesting the points classification are probably the guys trying hardest in that gruppetto to honour the race anyway.

The Giro has been getting increasingly generous with their time cuts, but then they've often presented longer and harder stages and are at a time of year which means a higher risk of bad weather.

 

[T-Nielsen]

Or the one with most points

They should have a competition to find him.

 

[gunara]

Yeah I feel the same way..its hard to comprehend

So many previously high GC riders and top riders riding around France hours down ?

It either looks like a mass relegation of generations of contenders to bad domestiques, or the Olympic lead the form to even skewed weirder than the supposedly weird calendar of 2020.

 

[jarvo]

Any news on Rowe And Soren Kragh? missed the cut?

 

[Screecher]

Any news on Rowe And Soren Kragh? missed the cut?

OTL

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Ineos are so miserable. Could they not have just let O'Connor have his moment

at this rate Carapaz won't get podium vs stronger time triallists like Vingegaard and Uran. And if Kelderman finds back his TT legs (he was hindered by injury on his elbow first TT) he is *** there too.

 

[Bolder]

really? seems to me that carapaz may be exactly where he is, because that is what he is as a rider. y think he can do more?

I think the Carapaz we saw win the Giro and podium Vuelta was better, maybe not better than Pogacar but would have been a few minutes closer and ahead of the rest.

 

[Big Doopie]

WvA in play for mountains jersey...

and in so doing, he might climb up the green jersey competition as well...

green jersey used to be not a specifically "sprinter's" jersey. The points were not so weighted to flat stages. this is why riders like Merckx, Van Springel and (quite frankly) Kelly could win it. It was more of a "consistent" jersey.

WvA would be an excellent recipient of a "consistent" jersey.

 

[T-Nielsen]

OTL

SKA made it with 3 seconds.

 

[Big Doopie]

I think the Carapaz we saw win the Giro and podium Vuelta was better, maybe not better than Pogacar but would have been a few minutes closer and ahead of the rest.

but based on what exactly? what actual facts make you feel that way...?

 

[MartinGT]

Any news on Rowe And Soren Kragh? missed the cut?

What happened with Rowe did he give Carapaz his bike? Itv had him finishing with the front group initially!

 

[titan31]

Just Rowe out then along with the 7/8 DNFs we got

 

[IndianCyclist]

Ineos are so miserable. Could they not have just let O'Connor have his moment

" if we cannot be happy, we will not allow anybody else to be happy as well"