Tour de France Tour de France 2021, Stage 20: Libourne – Saint-Émilion, 30.8 km (ITT)

[Carols]

Wout stomps them all!!!! Great ride by Vingegaard also, almost caught Carapaz and definately put him safely back where he belongs. Tadja disappointing but I guess he's tired and had nothing to prove.

Not a particularlly enjoyable Tour; what with the crashes and a runaway winner

 

[perico]

I guess you could make the argument that Walkowiak in 1956 was worse, as he finished 75 out of 78 the next year, but he was the fluke winner that year from the breakaway.

So that is the only one that could qualify since at least WWII (I’m not counting the early years where there weren’t many finishers at all).

 

[gunara]

Over to you Taxus4a

The Froome thread is like his church, or house even, he's hardly ever seen outside (maybe in Landa one, I'm not sure these days), you won't be heard

 

[perico]

The Froome thread is like his church, or house even, he's hardly ever seen outside (maybe in Landa one, I'm not sure these days), you won't be heard

He used to constantly troll the Contador thread.

 

[movingtarget]

I guess you could make the argument that Walkowiak in 1956 was worse, as he finished 75 out of 78 the next year, but he was the fluke winner that year from the breakaway.

So that is the only one that could qualify since at least WWII (I’m not counting the early years where there weren’t many finishers at all).

2006 wasn't a classic either.........

 

[perico]

2006 wasn't a classic either.........

Yeah true, but Pereiro never finished 134 out of 142 after his win.

 

[gunara]

He used to constantly troll the Contador thread.

The ultimate meeting place of worshippers & trolls

 

[Leinster]

ITT's at the end of a GC are over-rated - There are usually minimal changes to GC - You are likely to get more changes with a mountain stage.

The yellow Jersey changed hands in the stage 20 ITT literally last year.

 

[limak_]

134th out of 142 on GC. Is this the worst finish in history for a former Tour Winner?

Is this the best finish in history after sustaining such serious injuries like he did?

You could also look at it this way

 

[movingtarget]

Meintjes in 14th spot overall. Zubeldia would be proud of him.............

 

[Carols]

Is this the best finish in history after sustaining such serious injuries like he did?

You could also look at it this way

NO, LeMond won TWICE after almost dying from being shot. How quickly they forget!

 

[Unchained]

The Froome thread is like his church, or house even, he's hardly ever seen outside (maybe in Landa one, I'm not sure these days), you won't be heard

There is a sadness..Froome got medical advice from the same clods that told Taylor Phinney to do a 2+ year rehab..he basically crashed himself out of cycling..now Froome is a total non factor..knowing that riders like Tony Martin,Gilbert, Valverde were close to done...they went down fighting..probably never see another TDF.. Froome should have done training rides somewhere else..the organization had way too much pack fill..and the protesting..why no protest after a third of the riders crashed in the first 5k of the race..Bouhani ,Ewen, Demare,all out and Cav pretty much sprinting against Mathews..we will see tomorrow..great TT today.
Froome should start being a sales rep for Broadman bicycles

 

[limak_]

NO, LeMond won TWICE after almost dying from being shot. How quickly they forget!

I'd argue, if being shot, has a worse long-term imapct on the cycling performance than the Froome's type of injuries.

 

[Salvarani]

I'd argue, if being shot, has a worse long-term imapct on the cycling performance than the Froome's type of injuries.

Only if he got shot in the leg perhaps.

 

[Carols]

I'd argue, if being shot, has a worse long-term imapct on the cycling performance than the Froome's type of injuries.

You can argue all you'd like but he still carries 35 shot gun pellets in his body including in the lining of his heart and has had many issues from that point onward. It affects his entire life to this day not just his cycling career.
Froome got hurt being careless puting on a jacket; caused his own problems.
But feel free to think a few broken bones is worse than almost dying after losing 65% of your blood and carrying lead pellets that poison you.
Excuses for Froome just don't hold up.

 

[75Driver]

NO, LeMond won TWICE after almost dying from being shot. How quickly they forget!

No kidding! LeMond's doctors said he would have died had he not been a world class athlete with amazing lung capacity. The fact he was able to come back AND WIN is one of the most miraculous stories in all of sports.

 

[limak_]

You can argue all you'd like but he still carries 35 shot gun pellets in his body including in the lining of his heart and has had many issues from that point onward. It affects his entire life to this day not just his cycling career.
Froome got hurt being careless puting on a jacket; caused his own problems.
But feel free to think a few broken bones is worse than almost dying after losing 65% of your blood and carrying lead pellets that poison you.
Excuses for Froome just don't hold up.

I didn't mean to belittle the damage caused by LeMond's shooting or to make an excuse for Froome's terrible performance.

I can just see it really possible that a few broken bones (including femur) could affect your cycling performance in the long-term more than " losing 65% of your blood and carrying lead pellets that poison you".
Of course, I don't exclude that you're right here. I just wanted to point out, that imo it could be not that obvious as it seems to be, because such things are really hard to assess.

 

[IndianCyclist]

I'd argue, if being shot, has a worse long-term imapct on the cycling performance than the Froome's type of injuries.

Its very subjective.
generally you would expect that an injury in the parts of the body that are directly involved in cycling would effect the performance in a worse way.
Jakobsen got his face smashed which is not related with cycling performance but he still struggles mentally.
Andy Schleck injured his pelvis and was never the same again.
Groin injuries typically limit an athlete due to long term chronic pain at higher intensities.
Pinot injured his back and now faces the potential end of his career

 

[Leinster]

Its very subjective.
generally you would expect that an injury in the parts of the body that are directly involved in cycling would effect the performance in a worse way.
Jakobsen got his face smashed which is not related with cycling performance but he still struggles mentally.
Andy Schleck injured his pelvis and was never the same again.
Groin injuries typically limit an athlete due to long term chronic pain at higher intensities.
Pinot injured his back and now faces the potential end of his career

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[Carols]

I didn't mean to belittle the damage caused by LeMond's shooting or to make an excuse for Froome's terrible performance.

I can just see it really possible that a few broken bones (including femur) could affect your cycling performance in the long-term more than " losing 65% of your blood and carrying lead pellets that poison you".
Of course, I don't exclude that you're right here. I just wanted to point out, that imo it could be not that obvious as it seems to be, because such things are really hard to assess.

I guess you don't think lead in the lining of your heart has no effect on performance. After all what cyclist needs a healthy heart to perform well.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Congrats to Van Aert on his performance and victory. My gut feeling didn't let me down as I had him as a winner today. He won the Ventoux stage, he won the TT, too bad he didn't outsprint Cav at least once! I think he's a co-favourite for the Olympic TT (with Ganna).

No big changes in the GC. Pog rode slower than I expected, despite his effort he lacked some wattage. He's been in a good form for the whole season and I think he actually peaked in the first part of the race (TT + Alps). Vingegaard very solid again, a future GT winner in the making.

 

[Rackham]

You can argue all you'd like but he still carries 35 shot gun pellets in his body including in the lining of his heart and has had many issues from that point onward. It affects his entire life to this day not just his cycling career.
Froome got hurt being careless puting on a jacket; caused his own problems.
But feel free to think a few broken bones is worse than almost dying after losing 65% of your blood and carrying lead pellets that poison you.
Excuses for Froome just don't hold up.

Actually, I think Froome's crash story is even crazier than putting on a jacket (or failing to do so):

Chris Froome crash: Cyclist in intensive care after taking hands off handlebars to blow nose, Team Ineos manager reveals | The Independent | The Independent

Chris Froome crash: Cyclist in intensive care after taking hands off handlebars to blow nose, Team Ineos manager reveals

 

[RedheadDane]

And meanwhile the Van Poppels finished in the exact same time.

 

[75Driver]

Having Vingegaard and Pogacar peaking at the same time would give us the top 2 time trialers and good climbers needed for a fiercely competitive tour. Both look like the real deal and might provide some exciting GT's in the future. I'd love to see a tour where the best riders trade the lead a couple times. Add Bernal to the mix and it could get REALLY interesting.

 

[Breezy1985]

The yellow Jersey changed hands in the stage 20 ITT literally last year.

It was also a mountain stage though