Tour de France Tour de France 2022: Stage 19 (Castelnau-Magnoac – Cahors, 188.3k)

[Didinho]

Always love to see a good Chasse Patat

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Barthe realising two major things missing from the break:
A French rider.
A B&B rider.

At least he's winning the Cyril GC this year.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Yes, but have they considered protesting in a way that affects those that actually have a major part in causing it?

Like the manufacturers of carbon frames

 

[RedheadDane]

Like the manufacturers of carbon frames

Then protest outside the factories.

Nice run-through of the (current) top-5.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Sure, I agree, but what's inconveniencing the Tour going to do, or holding up people in traffic, or trying to get themselves run over in a F1 race.

The only people who can do something are those in charge and the very rich who run the major companies.

Me, you, Matej Mohoric etc can do feck all. Even changing our own habits a bit by buying more sustainable clothes (I do this anyway), using more public instead of private transport is like an ant trying to push over mountains, it ain't going to matter one bit.

Yes I agree, there’s no way out through ethical consumerism. But most climate protesters understand that and aim to create a wider movement focused on political change, a process which will sometimes involve inconveniencing large numbers of people. That’s the nature of antagonistic social movements, and there is basically no inconvenience this one can inflict that will seem in any way significant compared a failure to mitigate climate change.

 

[Lequack]

They should protest on runways where private jets take off. But I'm sure the rich people who control the governments have made that a crime.

 

[StryderHells]

Yes, but have they considered protesting in a way that affects those that actually have a major part in causing it?

Considering the carbon footprint of the Tour it isn’t the worst place to protest.

 

[Lequack]

Considering the carbon footprint of the Tour it isn’t the worst place to protest.

Carmanufacturers who sponsor teams pay good money to be able to pollute in the peloton. They won't let some peasants stop them. Cars are on display, you need a car, everyone needs a car, you must have a car, go out and buy a car now if you haven't already.

 

[RedheadDane]

Carmanufacturers who sponsor teams pay good money to be able to pollute in the peloton. They won't let some peasants stop them. Cars are on display, you need a car, everyone needs a car, you must have a car, go out and buy a car now if you haven't already.

But again, this way all the achieve is annoying people.
Also; it kinda failed today; ASO refused to film them.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

But again, this way all the achieve is annoying people.
Also; it kinda failed today; ASO refused to film them.

I am not annoyed, I have only become more aware of the issue. Climate change is more than annoying

And maybe they aren't filmed but they are talked about

 

[RedheadDane]

Sagan ready for the sprint?

 

[KOM]

But again, this way all the achieve is annoying people.
Also; it kinda failed today; ASO refused to film them.

I know this is gonna be an incredibly unpopular opinion, but I think most if not all of these protesters are suffering from a mild-severe mental illness. So strategic thinking shouldnt be expected. I wanna note that I dont think beeing mentally ill (in this case anxiety disorder of various degrees) is something condemable at all and its not mutually exclusive to actually protesting the right thing, which those protesters are undoubtfully doing. I just think theyre doing themselves and their movements a disservice overall, likely because their judgement is clouded

 

[RobertCrawley]

I am not annoyed, I have only become more aware of the issue. Climate change is more than annoying

And maybe they aren't filmed but they are talked about

I've said it before but when the Tour sees temps of 115 Fahrenheit, the protesters will seem like the sane ones.

 

[titan31]

Yes I agree, there’s no way out through ethical consumerism. But most climate protesters understand that and aim to create a wider movement focused on political change, a process which will sometimes involve inconveniencing large numbers of people. That’s the nature of antagonistic social movements, and there is basically no inconvenience this one can inflict that will seem in any way significant compared a failure to mitigate climate change.

Ya, I just think their current actions preach to those already converted, pushes others furthers away and annoys those in the middle (which is most of us) who are willing to accept some changes. Just a terrible tactic imo on getting people on board with change.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Yes, but have they considered protesting in a way that affects those that actually have a major part in causing it?

Look, compared with the global population as a whole even the average poorer residents of wealthy countries contribute a lot toward climate change. That isn't to say we are all equally complicit, individual choice has very little to do with any of this. It's just important to recognise that we (residents of wealthy countries) are collectively the biggest obstacles to change, as opposed to the usual racist distractions (China, "overpopulation" in Africa etc).

 

[Netserk]

unfortunately catastrophic climate change is going to be a lot more inconvenient

Ah, but a race sabotage will help with that, lol. It's not a choice between one or the other. You might as well say that the pandemic is more inconvenient, or that no one should complain about "first world problems" because someone somewhere has it worse than you.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

I know this is gonna be an incredibly unpopular opinion, but I think most if not all of these protesters are suffering from a mild-severe mental illness. So strategic thinking shouldnt be expected. I wanna note that I dont think beeing mentally ill (in this case anxiety disorder of various degrees) is something condemable at all and its not mutually exclusive to actually protesting the right thing, which those protesters are undoubtfully doing. I just think theyre doing themselves and their movements a disservice overall, likely because their judgement is clouded

I think this speaks to how disconnected even from the relatively recent past we are. No one's throwing or mailing bombs, trying to blow up Macron's car, or anything of the sort. This is all incredibly benign, and you're going on about mental illness. Sounds a little hysterical to me.

 

[Lequack]

The race is over already anyway, does this stage really matter? Answer is no. So they might as well protest to make it interesting.

 

[RedheadDane]

The race is over already anyway, does this stage really matter? Answer is no. So they might as well protest to make it interesting.

I think there might be a few riders in the peloton who disagree.

 

[KOM]

I think this speaks to how disconnected even from the relatively recent past we are. No one's throwing or mailing bombs, trying to blow up Macron's car, or anything of the sort. This is all incredibly benign, and you're going on about mental illness. Sounds a little hysterical to me.

Thats possible of course, Im from germany and since a year or so Ive been thiking I wouldnt be at all surprised if we would see a sort of climate-RAF in my country in the foreseeable future... At the time even I thought thats quite the bold prediction, but since then multiple high ranking members of friday for future and extinction rebellion have puplicly entertained that idea... So we will see I guess?

Edit: But i guess this isnt really the place to discuss such things, so Ill restrain myself from any further engagement, feel free to answer and berate me of course, if you see fit

 

[RedheadDane]

Sprint teams not giving the break much time.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Sprint teams not giving the break much time.

No days off for the riders in this Tour.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

ASO should organise a Tour-E France next year.

Or make sure only electrical tractors get air time.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

ASO should organise a Tour-E France next year.

Or make sure only electrical tractors get air time.

No air time for Declercq?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Ah, but a race sabotage will help with that, lol. It's not a choice between one or the other. You might as well say that the pandemic is more inconvenient, or that no one should complain about "first world problems" because someone somewhere has it worse than you.

All successful social movements antagonistic to the status quo involve disruption, because creating serious social change generally involves heightening a sense of crisis. Climate protestors have thus far been remarkably restrained. The suffragettes, that most retrospectively respectable of social movements, bombed churches and set fire to moving trains. The world was full of people claiming that the suffragettes were setting back their cause too.