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Barthe realising two major things missing from the break:
A French rider.
A B&B rider.
Yes, but have they considered protesting in a way that affects those that actually have a major part in causing it?
Like the manufacturers of carbon frames
Sure, I agree, but what's inconveniencing the Tour going to do, or holding up people in traffic, or trying to get themselves run over in a F1 race.
The only people who can do something are those in charge and the very rich who run the major companies.
Me, you, Matej Mohoric etc can do feck all. Even changing our own habits a bit by buying more sustainable clothes (I do this anyway), using more public instead of private transport is like an ant trying to push over mountains, it ain't going to matter one bit.
Considering the carbon footprint of the Tour it isn’t the worst place to protest.Yes, but have they considered protesting in a way that affects those that actually have a major part in causing it?
Considering the carbon footprint of the Tour it isn’t the worst place to protest.
Carmanufacturers who sponsor teams pay good money to be able to pollute in the peloton. They won't let some peasants stop them. Cars are on display, you need a car, everyone needs a car, you must have a car, go out and buy a car now if you haven't already.
I am not annoyed, I have only become more aware of the issue. Climate change is more than annoyingBut again, this way all the achieve is annoying people.
Also; it kinda failed today; ASO refused to film them.
But again, this way all the achieve is annoying people.
Also; it kinda failed today; ASO refused to film them.
I am not annoyed, I have only become more aware of the issue. Climate change is more than annoying
And maybe they aren't filmed but they are talked about
Yes I agree, there’s no way out through ethical consumerism. But most climate protesters understand that and aim to create a wider movement focused on political change, a process which will sometimes involve inconveniencing large numbers of people. That’s the nature of antagonistic social movements, and there is basically no inconvenience this one can inflict that will seem in any way significant compared a failure to mitigate climate change.
Look, compared with the global population as a whole even the average poorer residents of wealthy countries contribute a lot toward climate change. That isn't to say we are all equally complicit, individual choice has very little to do with any of this. It's just important to recognise that we (residents of wealthy countries) are collectively the biggest obstacles to change, as opposed to the usual racist distractions (China, "overpopulation" in Africa etc).Yes, but have they considered protesting in a way that affects those that actually have a major part in causing it?
Ah, but a race sabotage will help with that, lol. It's not a choice between one or the other. You might as well say that the pandemic is more inconvenient, or that no one should complain about "first world problems" because someone somewhere has it worse than you.unfortunately catastrophic climate change is going to be a lot more inconvenient
I think this speaks to how disconnected even from the relatively recent past we are. No one's throwing or mailing bombs, trying to blow up Macron's car, or anything of the sort. This is all incredibly benign, and you're going on about mental illness. Sounds a little hysterical to me.I know this is gonna be an incredibly unpopular opinion, but I think most if not all of these protesters are suffering from a mild-severe mental illness. So strategic thinking shouldnt be expected. I wanna note that I dont think beeing mentally ill (in this case anxiety disorder of various degrees) is something condemable at all and its not mutually exclusive to actually protesting the right thing, which those protesters are undoubtfully doing. I just think theyre doing themselves and their movements a disservice overall, likely because their judgement is clouded
The race is over already anyway, does this stage really matter? Answer is no. So they might as well protest to make it interesting.
I think this speaks to how disconnected even from the relatively recent past we are. No one's throwing or mailing bombs, trying to blow up Macron's car, or anything of the sort. This is all incredibly benign, and you're going on about mental illness. Sounds a little hysterical to me.
Sprint teams not giving the break much time.
No air time for Declercq?ASO should organise a Tour-E France next year.
Or make sure only electrical tractors get air time.
All successful social movements antagonistic to the status quo involve disruption, because creating serious social change generally involves heightening a sense of crisis. Climate protestors have thus far been remarkably restrained. The suffragettes, that most retrospectively respectable of social movements, bombed churches and set fire to moving trains. The world was full of people claiming that the suffragettes were setting back their cause too.Ah, but a race sabotage will help with that, lol. It's not a choice between one or the other. You might as well say that the pandemic is more inconvenient, or that no one should complain about "first world problems" because someone somewhere has it worse than you.