Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 14: Annemasse - Morzine, 151.8k

[VorstM]

Why didn't he try then?

How should I know?

 

[Descender]

Yet another pointless descent finish. What's the point?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Also, just how much have I been posting, if a dip is noticable?

Quite a lot, especially at times where we've been the only ones keeping the "Guess Who" thread alive. We've pushed many words/kg on our best days

 

[Big Doopie]

It was almost identical to Puy de Dome (i.e. 7-8 seconds of gap), albeit the attack was longer and Vinge managed to close the gap. I agree regarding the TT OFC.

precisely my point. vingo closed. lost 25 seconds at courcheval. it is narrowing.

also motogate is ridiculous. was pog impeded? yes. but they were still 500 m from the line. fact is he had a hard time responding to vingo when they sprinted again, sooo...

don't get me wrong, i don't give the upper hand to either of them. they are equally matched at the moment. i am simply observing that pog's ability to make a difference has progressively diminished over the four stages where he got separation. it is an observation, that is all.

 

[SHAD0W93]

precisely my point. vingo closed. lost 25 seconds at courcheval. it is narrowing.

also motogate is ridiculous. was pog impeded? yes. but they were still 500 m from the line. fact is he had a hard time responding to vingo when they sprinted again, sooo...

don't get me wrong, i don't give the upper hand to either of them. they are equally matched at the moment. i am siimply observing that pog's ability to make a difference has progressively diminished over the four stages where he got separation. it is an observation, that is all.

Pog was right on his wheel and closed the gap a d then put in a dig. It didn’t look like he was expecting it at all.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

precisely my point. vingo closed. lost 25 seconds at courcheval. it is narrowing.

also motogate is ridiculous. was pog impeded? yes. but they were still 500 m from the line. fact is he had a hard time responding to vingo when they sprinted again, sooo...

don't get me wrong, i don't give the upper hand to either of them. they are equally matched at the moment. i am siimply observing that pog's ability to make a difference has progressively diminished over the four stages where he got separation. it is an observation, that is all.

Cauterets gap was partly due to Vinge riding very confidently & offensively with Pog on his wheel saving some energy. They've actually been very evenly matched for most stages. Pogacar had to keep the gap on Puy de Dome for a relatively short period while on Joux Plane the distance was longer (which likely favoured fightback by Vinge, who is less explosive but equally strong regarding w/kg).

 

[Big Doopie]

Pog was right on his wheel and closed the gap a d then put in a dig. It didn’t look like he was expecting it at all.

not sure i understand what you are referring to...(?)

 

[Andre]

I think the motorcycle incident not only cost Tadej some bonus seconds but also the stage. When he was forced to slow down, wasn't Rodriguez still a bit back?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Stop whining.

You’d be irritated if the roles were reversed.

 

[SHAD0W93]

not sure i understand what you are referring to...(?)

What we’re all talking about, the KoM sprint and your middle paragraph. Pog didn’t look like he was expecting Vinge to attack at all, which is his own fault. But Pog immediately closed it down despite being taken by surprise and then put a dig after they passed the point.

 

[Big Doopie]

What we’re all talking about, the KoM sprint and your middle paragraph. Pog didn’t look like he was expecting Vinge to attack at all, which is his own fault. But Pog immediately closed it down despite being taken by surprise and then put a dig after they passed the point.

why would pog not think vingo would try?

does not seem very logical.

(besides, i thought other riders only didn't try when remco won)

 

[Lequack]

LAnterne rouge

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNVlpy5LPRU

 

[RobertCrawley]

Froome was being laughed at for running up the mountain, not because of the crash. Almost everyone didn’t like the crash happened, some were happy he lost time to beloved patriot into his mystic, and the gaps to Froome were neutralized. Which then made some fans upset he was given the same time as Mollema.


Which in a way is crazy since in other sports the refs are part of the field and if they interfere it’s tough noodles, which would make today moot with the motorbikes.

For the record, Froome knew how ridiculous that day was and has had a lot of fun with it. Crazy stuff happens on the Tour and that's actually one of the reasons it's so great, in my opinion.

 

[Boehmand]

It was perhaps funny when @sir fly posted something similar a while ago. But I guess he must have quite a big harem now, if someone having less time to post means they must be in a relationship.

Dunno who Sir Fly is, but FYI I wrote the redhead privately to ensure she did not take offence, and she didn't, so I don't really think there is a need for people to play knights in shining armour

 

[Netserk]

Dunno who Sir Fly is, but FYI I wrote the redhead privately to ensure she did not take offence, and she didn't, so I don't really think there is a need for people to play knights in shining armour

While you’re at it, why not publish the private messages.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Dunno who Sir Fly is, but FYI I wrote the redhead privately to ensure she did not take offence, and she didn't, so how about you guys stop playing knights in shining armour?

Hey, look at my profile pic. I'm clearly a Don dressed like an orange!

 

[SHAD0W93]

why would pog not think vingo would try?

does not seem very logical.

(besides, i thought other riders only didn't try when remco won)

I have no idea why he thought Vinge wouldn’t try and take time on him but he was still surprised by it. Leading up to the jump it had looked like they were fine to ride together because of the motos, which is ludicrous when the race is between seconds for them. Maybe Pog forgot about the seconds in his frustration and tiredness. The point being argued is Pog would have won the bonus seconds like he’s done everytime in the past. Not that he’d drop Vinge.

(I’ve never said that to be fair.)

 

[Boehmand]

Hey, look at my profile pic. I'm clearly a Don dressed like an orange!

Viking lords squeeze oranges dry and drink their insides for breakfast - and they are TASTY

 

[Riek s]

why would pog not think vingo would try?

does not seem very logical.

(besides, i thought other riders only didn't try when remco won)

It seemed like Pog didn't expect it though. Maybe he thought Ving would give it to him after he as blocked? (was a very strange part of the climb)

Pog was in to low of a gear to react and didn't even directly react. It was a stupid mistake that costs him valuable seconds..
Just like that he didnt let Yates ride for 2nd place. (he could have gotten more boni seconds compared to ving that way and/or let ving drive him to line if Ving understood maths).

 

[Danskebjerge]

Yes they were blocking the road, because they were blocked by spectators.

Everyone who watched the stage saw Pogacar punch it, and then almost instantly have to slow back down, because of the motos.

Whether it was consequential is another story, I don't think it was, but the motos holding him up is without question.

Sure, but if I'm stading right in front of you in a queue in a supermarket, I'm not to blame for you being delayed, am I?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Sure, but if I'm stading right in front of you in a queue in a supermarket, I'm not to blame for you being delayed, am I?

If a supermarket where you can queue in cars, on motorbikes and bicycles opens, you‘re free to point out that you are the king of analogies.

 

[Danskebjerge]

No, the joke is this: too enthusiastic cycling fans always blaming everyone else than the riders when something goes wrong - while praising the riders when they are taking big risks or taking advantage of the movement of a motorbike or a car.

 

[Põhja Konn]

Neither of the big two can be really happy with today. Jumbo tried to make a real statement, but failed comprehensively. Vingegaard though was able to neutralise Pogacar's counterstrike. Lack of sufficent crowd control combined with excessive amount of motos ended up directly influencing the race and maybe saved Vingegaard the yellow for another day, but I don't yet believe the overall GC will come down to that tiny amount of seconds.

 

[Danskebjerge]

If a supermarket where you can queue in cars, on motorbikes and bicycles opens, you‘re free to point out that you are the king of analogies.

If there is no room in front of you, there is no room. No matter where in the universe you are.

 

[Boehmand]

Sure, but if I'm stading right in front of you in a queue in a supermarket, I'm not to blame for you being delayed, am I?

I'ts not the blame people take issue with, it's you saying Pogacar "alledgedly" got blocked, when it was clear for all to see it happened.

But hey, English is a 2nd language for most people in here, so you may not have meant it that way, and if that is the case, you just need to say so and the criticism will vanish instantly