Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 16: Passy - Combloux, 22.4k (ITT)

[glassmoon]

Why does a bike change matter? It's bike racing. Ride bike fastest, get smallest time, win. They aren't switching out to motorbikes.

that's why I don't have a problem with the bike changes... just with those, often 15-20m long, pushes from mechanics. especially during the ITT.

 

[Boehmand]

that's why I don't have a problem with the bike changes... just with those, often 15-20m long, pushes from mechanics. especially during the ITT.

You still haven't explained why you have a problem with it?

 

[RobertCrawley]

I'm really curious about the bike calculations. Riders who stay on their TT bikes will benefit from decreased wind resistance even on the hill, but riders who change to their road bike will benefit from a lighter weight bike. Which saves more time?

 

[Danskebjerge]

Mads Pedersen had a cadence like Juul-Jensen there.

 

[DenisMenchov]

So Mads and Remi didn't change bikes. I hoped one of them would.

 

[Trofonios]

Cavanga almost 48.5 kph to 2nd timecheck

Seems to be going strong on the climb!

 

[Didinho]

Powless did the recon on a normal bike with a full TT backwheel. Take it easy to the climb and going for the KOM points.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Things like these is why Poga is utopia and Vinge dystopia.

Pogi is a kid, Vinge is the father of a kid. Big difference in outlook. You can see that in his response to the attack in Annecy during the Dauphine

 

[Pippo_San]

I'm really curious about the bike calculations. Riders who stay on their TT bikes will benefit from decreased wind resistance even on the hill, but riders who change to their road bike will benefit from a lighter weight bike. Which saves more time?

Wind resistance uphill is negligible while power/weight ratio is all that matters.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Pogi is a kid, Vinge is the father of a kid. Big difference in outlook. You can see that in his response to the attack in Annecy during the Dauphine

Pogi and Jonas have a lot of respect for each other. Maybe we could learn something from them.

 

[titan31]

Soerensen saying he thinks UAE is playing mindgames with the bike changes, making Jumbo think Pogacar will change too - but he will not - because the changes look rather unfocused and uncoordinated.

Jumbo can get their own data on if it's worth it or not by having someone like Kelderman, Wout or Van Baarle do it. They'll know quick enough then if it's actually worth it or not

 

[glassmoon]

You still haven't explained why you have a problem with it?

isn't it obvious? it's a bike race, not pushing your rider race. it just doesn't bother me during the RR that much as it does during the TT. that's all to it really. i could reverse the argument: why the pushing should be allowed in the first place anyway?

 

[Red Rick]

Wind resistance uphill is negligible while power/weight ratio is all that matters.

1kg is gonna be like 7W at most while even at 25kph youre gonna have in excess of 50W of wind resistance

 

[Didinho]

Jumbo can get their own data on if it's worth it or not by having someone like Kelderman, Wout or Van Baarle do it. They'll know quick enough then if it's actually worth it or not

Their DS said that Wout is going to be the reference for Vingo. They will probably do the same thing (with bike change or not).

 

[Danskebjerge]

Pedersen going too deep for my liking - he needs to have something left for Glasgow. Last year he was empty after the Tour.

 

[Didinho]

Pedersen always going all out in the TT’s even if he shouldn’t. Love to see this. Really strong here.

 

[Trofonios]

Pedersen always going all out in the TT’s even if he shouldn’t. Love to see this. Really strong here.

Mattias Reck, trainer Trek-Lidl, said that Mads wanted to go hard after the rest day to "wake up" the body.

 

[Didinho]

Cavagna was also somewhere like top 5 on La Planche des belles Filles so he can podium today I guess. Looks good.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Pedersen going too deep for my liking - he needs to have something left for Glasgow. Last year he was empty after the Tour.

Last year he demolished everyone at the Vuelta after the Tour, rather impressive if he was empty.

 

[Boehmand]

isn't it obvious? it's a bike race, not pushing your rider race. it just doesn't bother me during the RR that much as it does during the TT. that's all to it really. i could reverse the argument: why the pushing should be allowed in the first place anyway?

Pushing IS allowed, because on a TT bike you are riding such big gears, that it is very difficult to get going without a little "start help". It's the same reason TT's always start on a ramp.

Removing the possibility would maximise the effects of technical issues, like a crash, flat or a lost chain.

 

[SafeBet]

O/U winning time at 34 minutes?

 

[RedheadDane]

Random shots of Latour warming up.

 

[Didinho]

UAE should just wear the neck sock out of the blue to confuse Jumbo.

 

[Boehmand]

Rain failling at the 3rd time check now

 

[Devil's Elbow]

If Cavagna's time loss to the winner is proportional to that in the 2020 TT, he will finish about 1:10-1:15 down, which would be about 34:30 as the winning time, so a 39 km/h-ish average speed.