Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 16: Passy - Combloux, 22.4k (ITT)

[nightowl]

Alright Küng vs Cavagna might give us something of an idea of how close the performance of the road and TT bikes are up the last climb

 

[Boehmand]

I think bobsledders would be more effective. Interesting thing in that final Giro time trial—that had specific line beyond which no pushing was allowed. I think to try and mitigate against riders gaining too much of an advantage from the push. They couldn’t mitigate Thomas bike-helmet change deficit however.

All we need now is a Jamaican TT-specialist

 

[RedheadDane]

Küng changing.

 

[Trofonios]

Seems like Küng might have paced himself too hard in the beginning.

 

[meat puppet]

That's it. Gonna bet 5DKK that Vingo changes too (as planned, in all silence).

 

[Salvarani]

1 hour until race is on

 

[QueenStagiaire]

One factor that has been neglected so far is that many riders could push more watts on the normal bike than on the TT bike which could make up for the aero disadvantage.

 

[RedheadDane]

That's it. Gonna bet 5DKK that Vingo changes too (as planned, in all silence).

Massive spending, there!

 

[glassmoon]

Kung without handlebar tape?

 

[Potomac]

What has the hive mind decided regarding bike changes for today's climb? Worth it or not?

 

[RobertCrawley]

Neilson set the best time on the "mountain," according to Peacock! 5 points at stake.

 

[ManicJack]

The announcers on Peacock world feed just mentioned that you can tell if a rider is going to do a bike change by wether or not the transponder is on the TT bike. They only get one and it is supposed to be on the bike they finish with.

 

[Potomac]

The announcers on Peacock world feed just mentioned that you can tell if a rider is going to do a bike change by wether or not the transponder is on the TT bike. They only get one and it is supposed to be on the bike they finish with.

What do we do with this knowledge?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Campenaerts' uphill cadence put Froomey to a shame.

 

[ManicJack]

What do we do with this knowledge?

I guess you can determine if a rider is going to do a bike change as he rolls of the start ramp 😉 or just be a smart ass in your reply

 

[Potomac]

I guess you can determine if a rider is going to do a bike change as he rolls of the start ramp 😉 or just be a smart ass in your reply

Should teams put a fake transponder on the one bike to confuse the enemy?

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Should teams put a fake transponder on the one bike to confuse the enemy?

(UAE ass't director)

 

[glassmoon]

I'd imagine riders often finishing the stages without transponders anyway... bike changes after a crash or mechanical for instance.

 

[Boehmand]

If Pogacar changes bikes and Vingegaard does not - or vice versa - and the time difference is around 15 seconds on the line, we'll be debating this TT for the rest of our lives

 

[Didinho]

If Pogacar changes bikes and Vingegaard does not - or vice versa - and the time difference is around 15 seconds on the line, we'll be debating this TT for the rest of our lives

I think Vingo is gonna copy Pogi.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Constant execution of power is actually not optimal on a varying course like this. If for example half of a TT (time-wise) is flat and half is uphill it's actually better to reduce power by a few % on flat and increase it uphill. It's because speed changes almost linearly with power on a steep climb (so power matters a lot then) while it's closer to cube root of power for high-speed sections (so lower relative speed/time loss if power is reduced a bit).

 

[Boehmand]

Looking at how the TT has unfolded, if I was Skjelmose I'd have changed my mind and would go for the TT fully.

He's one of the few guys that can get close to the two big guns on this route.

 

[glassmoon]

I think Vingo is gonna copy Pogi.

Not if he overtakes him before the swap point

 

[Boehmand]

I think Vingo is gonna copy Pogi.

I think the decision is made long ago, they are not going to change it in 3 minutes after seeing what Pogacar does.

 

[RedheadDane]

Dennis Ritter: The worst part about this climb, is that when it's done, it continues!