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I mean, fair enough...and I will point out that there were many points where Pog could have taken more time, and didn't...so until the end of time it is!!...anyway, Pog is going to win, so I think the exercise is academic.
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Cookster15
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Has anyone considered the reason Pog didn’t try to take more time was he was holding back a little for the TT and Loze? That was the case for Hindley in 2022 Giro.
As for his wrist (mentioned above), in TT there is less pressure on your wrist as most upper body weight is placed upon the elbows in TT position. In TT tuck, hands/wrist have much less pressure than when in the traditional road racing position.
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I think that also may be the reason that Jonas didn't even really attempt to go over the top, when he caught Pog Sunday.
I think the wrist still has him not quite where he would be if he'd not fallen...however, Martin's observation is pretty interesting, coming from someone who has been there...all of that time on the TT may very well pay off. I keep thinking 47 seconds tomorrow...I just think he is that little bit ahead of Jonas...which is frightening, as I think this would have already been decided if he hadn't broken his wrist.
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View: https://twitter.com/opaisdociclismo/status/1681052894169030662
Poor wrist, does not looking good.
Poor wrist, does not looking good.
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Yes I can see the point but it still wasn’t that bad. It just just seemed worse as everyone expected him to win the Tour and Pogacar had an incredible ride. There were still riders in the top 10 with something to ride for. As for Richie Porte, he did maybe his best TT ever at that level on that day - regardless of his age. So you should not use Porte’s performance as a guide for Roglic.
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Or they are both near their limit but saving a bit for the TT. Vingo pushed Pogi a bit in the last 50 meters, Pogi responded and they both sat down and rolled across the line. Almost hand in hand if they knew each other better. I think each one is fairly certain that he can gain significant seconds in the time trial.
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You do notice he did not attempt a handstand, correct??
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I don’t find “Vingdurain” funny. Such an insult to the great man. Yes we all know what was going on back then but Big Mig was more versatile. a much better TTer and dare I say a far superior descender.
Vingegaard relies upon on his team, modern science and aerodynamics as much as aerobic power and recovery.
If Vingegaard wins 5 straight Tours I will be following a different sport by before he wins his 3rd.
Vingegaard relies upon on his team, modern science and aerodynamics as much as aerobic power and recovery.
If Vingegaard wins 5 straight Tours I will be following a different sport by before he wins his 3rd.
Vinge negects to unweight his seat on the speed bump at km 18 and loses his chain. But he still hangs on for a 15 sec gain on Pog who forgets to doff his ice vest at the start ramp and has to carry an extra 2 kg up the climb.
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Having the same guy win cobbled classics and GTs is obviously preferable. Extremely weird post.
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You could have a tied Tour even with them but either way I guess they would use the tenths or hundredths from tts to determine the winner?
As for bonus seconds, I'm not a huge fan of them but they don't really bother me unless someone wins because of them in a situation when they otherwise would have been behind on time. Even then, I can't say I get too riled up about it.
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Clearly something was off for him. He did have poor prep due to Covid and crashing in Dauphine. Maybe just ran out of gas. Based on other ITTs like Lusari and the Olympics, he should have at least gotten second. I agree that Pogacar riding out of his mind is as probably more noteworthy, but Pogacar only wins that Tour 1/10 times in that scenario against Roglic.
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"In the event of a tie in the general ranking, the hundredth of a second recorded by the timekeepers during the individual time trial stages will be included in the total times in order to decide the overall winner and who takes the yellow jersey. If a tie should still result from this, then the places achieved for each stage are added up and, as a last resort, the place obtained in the final stage is counted."
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if pog does a bike change, he will have 16K of TT bike and 6K of road bike. So all the talk about him training on a tt bike is not very relevant.
And with regards to the wrist: the wrist position in a full tt position going full gas is way different than in training or on a road bike. You have different pressure, and it doesn’t really matter if it’s less. I’ve had broken bones and sometimes I could put more pressure on the broken bone (that had a titanium plate to fix the broken part) in one direction, while another movement (just lifting my arm) caused a lot of pain.
Anyway, I don’t think the wrist will be the deciding factor in this tt. A possible bike change, and especially the legs, will be.
And with regards to the wrist: the wrist position in a full tt position going full gas is way different than in training or on a road bike. You have different pressure, and it doesn’t really matter if it’s less. I’ve had broken bones and sometimes I could put more pressure on the broken bone (that had a titanium plate to fix the broken part) in one direction, while another movement (just lifting my arm) caused a lot of pain.
Anyway, I don’t think the wrist will be the deciding factor in this tt. A possible bike change, and especially the legs, will be.
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Most likely scenario is a small difference between the two contenders i.e. under 20 seconds. Even this could be crucial though. If Vinge gets a gap then he's in a more comfortable position for last mountain stages (no danger of bonuses anymore, just stick to Pog wheel), if Pog gets it then the GC could be even tighter than now (!). My prediction is small margin victory by Pog.
Not gonna lie, another scenario is also in my head: after a rest day Pog drops a huge watt bomb winning by a few dozens of seconds. We will see.
Not gonna lie, another scenario is also in my head: after a rest day Pog drops a huge watt bomb winning by a few dozens of seconds. We will see.
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That is more than 2 seconds per km. Pogi would have to go nuclear for that amount of gain and also caught Vinge on a bad day.
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Best case scenario for me is Pog gaining > a minute in the TT.
Jumbo is forced to go bananas in the following stage, Pog has a bad day and Vingo retakes yellow.
Rainy day on Saturday and all hell breaks loose.
Jumbo is forced to go bananas in the following stage, Pog has a bad day and Vingo retakes yellow.
Rainy day on Saturday and all hell breaks loose.
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There was an additional time check at the bottom of the climb in order to time the ascent. Fastest rider on the day, Richie Porte, won the Prix Bernard Hinault.
View: https://twitter.com/velofacts/status/756145810807656448
View: https://twitter.com/Federico_bsn/status/756147850405216256
Quite affected by timing of bike change, I'd assume.
EDIT: Ah, most riders didn't change bikes, but they had quite different setups. Froome with a disc wheel, Porte on a road bike with tri-bars.
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yeah that was a Roglic TT if you can ever draw one out. I think good Roglic would have lost max 30 seconds if even., top Roglic could even fight for the win... He is a beast on such a TT. He really had a bad day or was indeed running empty. Threw away the win basically.
Carlito wins overall because he joins when Pogi sends Adam Yates up the road trying to get Jonas to chase
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