Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 17: Saint-Gervais Mont Blanc - Courchevel, 165.7k

[saunaking]

Joux-Plane are easy HCs doesn't help either.

Wut??
Almost every pro is saying it is the hardest climb in the alps

 

[RobertCrawley]

Looks like Dr. Who is enjoying the race today.

 

[saunaking]

Preaching the ideology of Solerism as Chris Horner would say.

lol Horner went full hog last night! Promoted Jonas to #1 rider from 4th lol
Though he should reconsider since Jonas can only do the tour... but anyways.. was funny

 

[RobertCrawley]

lol Horner went full hog last night! Promoted Jonas to #1 rider from 4th lol
Though he should reconsider since Jonas can only do the tour... but anyways.. was funny

Does Horner have a podcast?

 

[saunaking]

Does Horner have a podcast?

no, youtube channel,posts daily in the evening eastern time

 

[RobertCrawley]

no, youtube channel,posts daily in the evening eastern time

Thanks!

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Wut??
Almost every pro is saying it is the hardest climb in the alps

Are you getting Joux-Plane confused with another climb (Loze??)? It's literally half the length of the hard side of Stelvio at the same gradient without the altitude, for example.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Wut??
Almost every pro is saying it is the hardest climb in the alps

Well its not an easy climb for sure, but hardest climb is obviously plain false. I think its a fine HC-climb, nothing more.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Glad to see Hooydonck riding well after losing skin from his back.

 

[saunaking]

Are you getting Joux-Plane confused with another climb (Loze??)? It's literally half the length of the hard side of Stelvio at the same gradient without the altitude, for example.

I'm not saying its the hardest climb ever, but it is definitely an HC
On top of that, pros current and past all say it is very hard, harder than the numbers indicate

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Wout like a yo yo today.

 

[saunaking]

Are you getting Joux-Plane confused with another climb (Loze??)? It's literally half the length of the hard side of Stelvio at the same gradient without the altitude, for example.

ok, i am exaggerating a little but its a super hard climb and maybe the hardest in the french alps that is a tdf regular

 

[GroupDK]

Nice teamwork from Skjelmose

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Ciccone bossing it.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

ok, i am exaggerating a little but its a super hard climb and maybe the hardest in the french alps that is a tdf regular

Ventoux and Madeleine from any side and Galibier, Izoard, Croix de Fer from the proper side are all way harder, to name a few staples of the race.

 

[RobertCrawley]

That is a long, long descent.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

This is probably the single best descent of the race to try and stage an ambush, we'll see if anything happens.

 

[Netserk]

Well done by Laporte and Hooydonck to not only manage to hang on, but actively lead this small peloton.

 

[rallybanana]

Ventoux and Madeleine from any side and Galibier, Izoard, Croix de Fer from the proper side are all way harder, to name a few staples of the race.

I think it was Peter Winnen who supposedly said Joux-Plane is the nastiest climb in the Alps. But that's just his opinion

 

[Netserk]

I think it was Peter Winnen who supposedly said Joux-Plane is the nastiest climb in the Alps. But that's just his opinion

In the 80’s it was usually at the end of brutal stages.

 

[Red Rick]

I was just thinking that this stage really shows how badly the ASO f*cked up by not designing a better stage around the Col de la Loze. This would be a guaranteed classic if the Col de la Loze came with something like 40km to go with an easier climb still to come.

The entire final 5 road stages look really lethargic honestly

 

[Trofonios]

Soler!

 

[RobertCrawley]

A herd of Limousin?

 

[Andy schleck]

I like the offensive style of jumbo. I was really pissed of when sky afford the breakaway to get 10 minutes.

 

[Gigs_98]

I think it was Peter Winnen who supposedly said Joux-Plane is the nastiest climb in the Alps. But that's just his opinion

Yeah you are hearing that kind of stuff all the time from pro riders, but it's nonsense. They had one ascent where they really struggled and come up with those kind of claims. And I guess you can argue that nasty doesn't mean hard. Whatever it is, the Joux Plane is clearly a HC climb and clearly not the hardest climb in the Alps.