Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 11: Évaux-les-Bains > Le Lioran, 211km

[ppanther92]

You know that this video is in slow motion, right?

Still gap seems on the verge of 1s to me. And thats whats stated in the rules. In any way - good for him. Bit lucky.

 

[tobydawq]

Has Roglic not gotten his time punishment for benefitting from being pushed by Remco yet?

 

[houtdffan]

You know that this video is in slow motion, right?

Slow speed turn. In the straight, it was clear there was a 2 second gap

 

[Fantastico]

Still gap seems on the verge of 1s to me. And thats whats stated in the rules. In any way - good for him. Bit lucky.

I would call it "extremely" lucky that this rule applies to a finish like today. After rewatching the crash and the passage prior to it, I just don't agree with some people's claims that there was a significant gap between the two riders.

 

[Fantastico]

Slow speed turn. In the straight, it was clear there was a 2 second gap

No it wasn't. I rewatched it a couple of times (even stopping the time) and there was clearly no 2 second gap.

https://imgur.com/fyQwltj

View: https://imgur.com/fyQwltj

https://imgur.com/N16Lebo

View: https://imgur.com/N16Lebo

How is that supposed to be a > 1 second gap on a downhill stretch?

 

[zlev11]

yeah he's absolutely right in contact with him. haters gonna hate tho.

 

[red_flanders]

Can you imagine the collective wad folks' panties would be in if Remco had benefitted from a ruling like this?

Would be absolutely incredible.

 

[Netserk]

Can you imagine the collective wad folks' panties would be in if Remco had benefitted from a ruling like this?

Would be absolutely incredible.

Like in the 2022 Vuelta when he waited with his bike change(?) until 3 km to go so he would get the same time as the peloton? He finished 3 minutes behind the peloton after Rogla attacked near the finish.

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Furthermore, notice that today was exactly as intended by the rule. Back then in 2022, the puncture was before 3 km to go so by the letter of the rule, it was a mistake to give Evenepoel the same time as the peloton.

 

[Grayguard]

So, for the haters here: Is JV still a wheel sucking coward? Or is he just riding smart?

 

[red_flanders]

Like in the 2022 Vuelta when he waited with his bike change(?) until 3 km to go so he would get the same time as the peloton? He finished 3 minutes behind the peloton after Rogla attacked near the finish.

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Exactly. As we can see, people are still whining about it.

 

[Netserk]

Exactly. As we can see, people are still whining about it.

Evenepoel cheated, Rogla didn't.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

So, for the haters here: Is JV still a wheel sucking coward? Or is he just riding smart?

How would this stage change my opinion? But it‘s good that he actually pulled today because it would have been very questionable otherwise.

 

[red_flanders]

Evenepoel cheated, Rogla didn't.

I mean if you want to keep making my point for me, please continue.

 

[tobydawq]

Like in the 2022 Vuelta when he waited with his bike change(?) until 3 km to go so he would get the same time as the peloton? He finished 3 minutes behind the peloton after Rogla attacked near the finish.

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Furthermore, notice that today was exactly as intended by the rule. Back then in 2022, the puncture was before 3 km to go so by the letter of the rule, it was a mistake to give Evenepoel the same time as the peloton.

Today was certainly not as intended by the rule.

 

[houtdffan]

Like in the 2022 Vuelta when he waited with his bike change(?) until 3 km to go so he would get the same time as the peloton? He finished 3 minutes behind the peloton after Rogla attacked near the finish.

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Furthermore, notice that today was exactly as intended by the rule. Back then in 2022, the puncture was before 3 km to go so by the letter of the rule, it was a mistake to give Evenepoel the same time as the peloton.

the rule also is not supposed to apply on uphill finishes, as today clearly was

at least this isn't like the 2011 application on stage 1 where contador was held up by a crash and finish with shleck, and somehow schleck ended up 1:15 ahead (that seemed like ASO was giving contador a time penalty for the shenanigans the previous year)

 

[Grayguard]

How would this stage change my opinion? But it‘s good that he actually pulled today because it would have been very questionable otherwise.

Maybe because he beat Pog in a sprint? Which as a first as far as I know.

 

[Screecher]

Maybe because he beat Pog in a sprint. Which has never happened before as far as I know.

Technically speaking he did beat him in the sprint to the bonus point on stage 14 last year.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

This could be the breaking point of the race, exactly in its half: Teddy's super offensive mindset could be over while it will be more about following Vingo (who OTOH will start attacking from this weekend).

 

[Grayguard]

Technically speaking he did beat him in the sprint to the bonus point on stage 14 last year.

Thats fair... I don't recall that
Edit: But that was a bonus sprint... Not the stage win?

 

[Netserk]

Today was certainly not as intended by the rule.

Of course it was. A crash on a descent within the last 3 km when not finishing on top of a climb is exactly what is meant to be covered. A puncture more than 3 km from the finish is not.

 

[ppanther92]

No it wasn't. I rewatched it a couple of times (even stopping the time) and there was clearly no 2 second gap.

https://imgur.com/fyQwltj

View: https://imgur.com/fyQwltj

https://imgur.com/N16Lebo

View: https://imgur.com/N16Lebo

How is that supposed to be a > 1 second gap on a downhill stretch?

Your videos are better than the Eurosport one (further out). I revise my view. Its clear that he was in contact.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Lots of great climbers had a shocker today. Mas and Hindley exploding, and generally just insane gaps for a stage like this. Huge gaps which easily could have been a lot higher (mainly stage 9), and the really hard stages are yet to come. Lots of strong riders looking to sneak into the break on stage 14, but especially 15 given UAE now won't control and Visma will have a hard time of doing just that.

 

[ppanther92]

The French GC top 10:

Rnk	Prev	▼▲	Rider	Team	UCI		Time
23	22	▼1	MARTIN Guillaume	Cofidis			20:36
30	31	▲1	BERNARD Julien	Lidl - Trek			33:36
33	41	▲8	MADOUAS Valentin	Groupama - FDJ		-40″	42:40
34	36	▲2	ARMIRAIL Bruno	Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team			43:45
40	45	▲5	SIVAKOV Pavel	UAE Team Emirates			52:04
41	37	▼4	BARGUIL Warren	Team dsm-firmenich PostNL			52:29
42	40	▼2	BARDET Romain	Team dsm-firmenich PostNL		10″	53:09
53	54	▲1	GRÉGOIRE Romain	Groupama - FDJ			1:05:32
60	75	▲15	PRODHOMME Nicolas	Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team			1:13:52
61	61	-	PACHER Quentin	Groupama - FDJ		4″	1:14:28

 

[zlev11]

Can you imagine the collective wad folks' panties would be in if Remco had benefitted from a ruling like this?

Would be absolutely incredible.

Roglic and Remco have the same amount of haters on this forum, it'd be about the same as it is right now

 

[zlev11]

the rule also is not supposed to apply on uphill finishes, as today clearly was

at least this isn't like the 2011 application on stage 1 where contador was held up by a crash and finish with shleck, and somehow schleck ended up 1:15 ahead (that seemed like ASO was giving contador a time penalty for the shenanigans the previous year)

today was not an uphill finish; the "climb" to the line was not classified. the 3km rule was in the rulebook for todays stage.

there have been so many more stupid applications of the 3km rule than today. who remembers the covid Paris-Nice when Schachmann did almost the same thing as Roglic today and kept the yellow jersey?