Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 15 14/7 Loudenvielle-Plateau de Beille 197.7k

[Valv.Piti]

Possibly. I'm more curious to know if anybody can recall him actually having been of any use to Evenepoel so far. Usually, he rides behind him, he gets dropped before him and never makes an effort to come back in order to pull for a bit, not even downhill -a weakness of Evenepoel- is he able to close a 15s gap in order to pilot Evenepoel. Maybe he's a good conversationalist.

Its always nice at least to have a rider besides you, but in this instance Landa could really have been of good use. Part of that though is also on Remco since he kinda tries to follow the acceleration - today he could have sat in behind Landa for a while.

 

[staubsauger]

Did the Pirate go full gas all the way up the hill? One of the reasons Tadej and Jonas went so fast up the hill is that Jorgenson drilled the pull from the start of the climb.

Pantani & Co relaxed at the beginning of Plateau de Beille since Ullrich had a flat tire!

 

[dobrien]

Last winter he fell overboard while on a cruise ship and washed ashore on a remote island where he had to survive on nothing but lichen and grubs for three months.

At least that's the story his sunken cheeks are telling.

Don't forget coconuts!!

 

[Tricycle Rider]

How did Cav made the time cut?

He had a comfortable amount of time left, CVV said some riders calculate their pacing in order to finish on time so they don't have to go any harder than they have to. With a stage like today's it's understandable.

 

[Escarabajo]

Pantani's performance is not comparable with today's because of the tailwind and there were more drunken fans on the road when Pantani rode it.

 

[Rackham]

It was a perfect stage (literally & theatrically) for a mega watts bomb climb without anyone holding anything back. In previous years there's sometimes been stages (like the Alpe d'Huez stage 2 years ago) in which Pog & Vinge cancel each other out & play games on the final climb.

But here it was all-in from the start because Vingegaard needed to attack & take massive time back. So Pog's counterattack was totally devastating & they both went all in to the line. I think we got the answer though vis-à-vis Pantani, i.e. these guys atomize his climbing times when the race scenario allows for it.

They truly are the best two climbers in the history of the sport. On paper at least based on the hard data.

 

[Brullnux]

Possibly. I'm more curious to know if anybody can recall him actually having been of any use to Evenepoel so far. Usually, he rides behind him, he gets dropped before him and never makes an effort to come back in order to pull for a bit, not even downhill -a weakness of Evenepoel- is he able to close a 15s gap in order to pilot Evenepoel. Maybe he's a good conversationalist.

I don't really see what use he could have been at any point. He's always in the group until the Pogacar/Vingegaard attack, at which point Remco semi follows and Landa (who, understandably, isn't as strong as Remco) is distanced. This is just a bizarre race; Landa hasn't done anything wrong, there have just been no circumstances that have really called on him to help out.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Wasn't worried for a nano second. He knows what he's doing folks. He's been doing this since 2007

 

[Escarabajo]

This was one for the ages.

Might be the best performance we will ever see.

We won't be alive for the next million years for the next evolution to take place.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He had a comfortable amount of time left, CVV said some riders calculate their pacing in order to finish on time so they don't have to go any harder than they have to. Understandable.

Having a team car near them probably didn't hurt either.

 

[proffate]

Possibly. I'm more curious to know if anybody can recall him actually having been of any use to Evenepoel so far. Usually, he rides behind him, he gets dropped before him and never makes an effort to come back in order to pull for a bit, not even downhill -a weakness of Evenepoel- is he able to close a 15s gap in order to pilot Evenepoel. Maybe he's a good conversationalist.

He's just there to sell more copies of the quickstep team calendar

 

[dobrien]

We won't be alive for the next million years for the next evolution to take place.

The evolution in pharmacology though...

 

[proffate]

I don't really see what use he could have been at any point. He's always in the group until Pogacar/Vingegaard attack, at which point Remco semi follows and Landa (who, understandable, isn't as strong as Remco) is distanced. This is just a bizarre race; Landa hasn't done anything wrong, there have just been no circumstances that have really called on him to help out.

Landa's entire career has been a string of bizarre races then

 

[Valv.Piti]

I don't really see what use he could have been at any point. He's always in the group until Pogacar/Vingegaard attack, at which point Remco semi follows and Landa (who, understandable, isn't as strong as Remco) is distanced. This is just a bizarre race; Landa hasn't done anything wrong, there have just been no circumstances that have really called on him to help out.

Agree. Remco himself should also get better at actually using Landa, but I kinda think he wants to test himself and then quickly realizes they are just going too fast and then settles into a tempo early on. At that point, Landa is further behind and of no use.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

After 2 weeks of racing and the Alps still to come, only 20 riders are within one hour of Pogacar on GC.
Only Vingo and Remco are within 10 minutes.

 

[Escarabajo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812516460578639997

View: https://x.com/WattsinCycling/status/1812516460578639997

I thought I was never going to see these records fall again. I guess records are meant to be broken. Regardless of anything. This is incredible.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I don't really see what use he could have been at any point. He's always in the group until Pogacar/Vingegaard attack, at which point Remco semi follows and Landa (who, understandable, isn't as strong as Remco) is distanced. This is just a bizarre race; Landa hasn't done anything wrong, there have just been no circumstances that have really called on him to help out.

He's not riding as a domestique, is he? He finished a minute behind Evenepoel, which means he had plenty in the tank to ride his own pace and distance Almeida and Rodriguez. That means he could also have chosen to pace Evenepoel after Vingegaard's attack for a while and ride until he came to a halt, but then he would not be able to defend his own GC. He is supposed to be a good descender, but on Galibier he wasn't able to bridge to Evenepoel who was only 15s ahead. Others from his group were actually able to bridge to Evenepoel (Rodriguez, Roglic, Ayuso), but he stuck with Almeida.

 

[Escarabajo]

Cavendish made it by 1.30, he looks nackered

I don't believe it. I bet the judges towed him closer.

 

[Brullnux]

Agree. Remco himself should also get better at actually using Landa, but I kinda think he wants to test himself and then quickly realizes they are just going too fast and then settles into a tempo early on. At that point, Landa is further behind and of no use.

Crazy thing is it hasn't made a different either way, since Remco has actually tempo's himself well. It's probably just good psychologically to know that if you do have a bad day, then Landa will definitely be there to help. Remco hasn't used his team to pace at any point, and also hasn't had a bad day, so Landa hasn't been used as visibly. Nothing deeper than that imo

 

[Tim Cahill]

Cav only like 10 minutes off Pantani I think not bad not bad

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Landa is a help mentally as well as physically ...or so they said

He probably rides in the wind on windy days, will give a bike if necessary and could ride on the front if required

Not landas problem he cant keep up with top 3 ,,he tried to bridge today but couldnt ...so what you gonna do ?

 

[Brullnux]

He's not riding as a domestique, is he? He finished a minute behind Evenepoel, which means he had plenty in the tank to ride his own pace and distance Almeida and Rodriguez. That means he could also have chosen to pace Evenepoel after Vingegaard's attack for a while and ride until he came to a halt, but then he would not be able to defend his own GC. He is supposed to be a good descender, but on Galibier he wasn't able to bridge to Evenepoel who was only 15s ahead. Others from his group were actually able to bridge to Evenepoel (Rodriguez, Roglic, Ayuso), but he stuck with Almeida.

Remco followed and dropped Landa immediately, Landa couldn't keep up. At that point Remco just decided to set his own tempo, as did Landa. There hasn't really been any need for him.

 

[Escarabajo]

Ok, let's do this exercise. Let's imagine that a crash had taken Jonas and Pogacar down. Remco would have been leading the race by more than 5 minutes. In the process would have broken the same records that Pogacar is breaking. The question is wouldn't everyone be thinking that He was better than Vingo and Pogacar together?

LOL.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Remco followed and dropped Landa immediately, Landa couldn't keep up. At that point Remco just decided to set his own tempo, as did Landa. There hasn't really been any need for him.

You don't seem to understand. When his pace over 10km of climbing is only 1m slower than his "leader" then surely he could have dug deeper intead of riding his own pace, in order to pace Evenepoel for a few km. But after that he would blow up obviously. Hence, he is not riding as a domestique, he is riding for his own GC.

I don't necessarily have an issue with it, but they shouldn't try to convince us that he is Evenepoel 's helper when he clearly isn't. He doesn't shelter him (rides behind), he gets dropped and rides his own pace, and even in downhill he isn't able to help out, while Evenepoel is far from a top descender.

 

[AmRacer]

Cav only like 10 minutes off Pantani I think not bad not bad

I would like to know Cavs time.